Comments on: A First Is On the Way: Angela McGlowan http://www.thenewagenda.net/2010/02/06/a-first-is-on-the-way-angela-mcglowan/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:38:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kathleen http://www.thenewagenda.net/2010/02/06/a-first-is-on-the-way-angela-mcglowan/comment-page-1/#comment-42654 Kathleen Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:59:52 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=18517#comment-42654 We have come a long way since the time of Mozart and Mendelssohn! Remember, we couldn't even vote until 1920! When my grandmother was first married, my grandfather could have cost her the job she loved just by walking in and telling her boss that he didn't want her to work anymore. My mother and father fought horribly when my mom wanted to go back to work when I was a pre-teen. None of her friends worked and my father thought it looked bad, but my mother prevailed and went on to a wonderful career. There are women CEO's, women doctors and lawyers, even a woman Secretary of State. At this moment in time, women make up more than half the work force in this country. We've come a long way baby! No one is saying that women have achieved complete equality, but we are definitely a heck of a lot closer to it than we were even 10 years ago. IMHO, the way forward to complete equality is to just get in there and keep plugging, proving ourselves every day. We have come a long way since the time of Mozart and Mendelssohn! Remember, we couldn’t even vote until 1920! When my grandmother was first married, my grandfather could have cost her the job she loved just by walking in and telling her boss that he didn’t want her to work anymore. My mother and father fought horribly when my mom wanted to go back to work when I was a pre-teen. None of her friends worked and my father thought it looked bad, but my mother prevailed and went on to a wonderful career.

There are women CEO’s, women doctors and lawyers, even a woman Secretary of State. At this moment in time, women make up more than half the work force in this country. We’ve come a long way baby!

No one is saying that women have achieved complete equality, but we are definitely a heck of a lot closer to it than we were even 10 years ago. IMHO, the way forward to complete equality is to just get in there and keep plugging, proving ourselves every day.

]]> By: marille http://www.thenewagenda.net/2010/02/06/a-first-is-on-the-way-angela-mcglowan/comment-page-1/#comment-42653 marille Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:48:17 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=18517#comment-42653 I think not so fast, to all the statements that there is inequality but not real oppression. there is oppression and silencing of women's achievements on so many levels. we need to dig out and speak about women's achievements. just when we think bout women running for president. i think Hillary was number 8, from the crowd sticking out is Victoria Woodhull as the first, Chisholm the firs African American women who run for president and was very aware of the antifemale propaganda. there was in 2008 a book on how the press dealt with the female runners for president and amazingly little has changed. many people say there was no female Einstein, no female Mozart, Mendelssohn. few know there was a Einstein girlfriend and I believe married who contributed a lot and supported her guy. oOf course there was nannerl Mozart who for sure composed as a teenager, but was told to hide her creative ambitions or not find a husband. Mendelssohn's sister (Fanny Hensel) did not give up composing like Nannerl but was finally supported by husband and brother to have her works published over 400 of them. to say we have come a long way sounds a long way off to me. we rather need to keep going, recognize what our foremothers did, what we are accomplishing and keep fighting. that is the difference between the anti racism movement and the anti sexism movement. we are always told and enough believe it, that we are already there at equal participation in society. I think not so fast, to all the statements that there is inequality but not real oppression. there is oppression and silencing of women’s achievements on so many levels. we need to dig out and speak about women’s achievements. just when we think bout women running for president. i think Hillary was number 8, from the crowd sticking out is Victoria Woodhull as the first, Chisholm the firs African American women who run for president and was very aware of the antifemale propaganda. there was in 2008 a book on how the press dealt with the female runners for president and amazingly little has changed. many people say there was no female Einstein, no female Mozart, Mendelssohn. few know there was a Einstein girlfriend and I believe married who contributed a lot and supported her guy. oOf course there was nannerl Mozart who for sure composed as a teenager, but was told to hide her creative ambitions or not find a husband. Mendelssohn’s sister (Fanny Hensel) did not give up composing like Nannerl but was finally supported by husband and brother to have her works published over 400 of them.
to say we have come a long way sounds a long way off to me.
we rather need to keep going, recognize what our foremothers did, what we are accomplishing and keep fighting. that is the difference between the anti racism movement and the anti sexism movement. we are always told and enough believe it, that we are already there at equal participation in society.

]]> By: Karen http://www.thenewagenda.net/2010/02/06/a-first-is-on-the-way-angela-mcglowan/comment-page-1/#comment-42649 Karen Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:20:10 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=18517#comment-42649 Kathleen, those are my exact feelings! I believe inequality can exist without oppression, so that even though there is no oppression whatsoever in our country, plenty of inequality does exist and must be eliminated. I have joined The New Agenda to make women equal. Kathleen, those are my exact feelings! I believe inequality can exist without oppression, so that even though there is no oppression whatsoever in our country, plenty of inequality does exist and must be eliminated. I have joined The New Agenda to make women equal.

]]> By: Kathleen http://www.thenewagenda.net/2010/02/06/a-first-is-on-the-way-angela-mcglowan/comment-page-1/#comment-42647 Kathleen Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:06:56 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=18517#comment-42647 Personally, I don't feel that I am disadvantaged by being a woman. In fact, I don't feel victimized at all. While I readily admit that there are many areas in which improvement could be made, I also recognize the tremendous and amazing strides that American women have made toward true equality with men. Personally, and it's only my opinion, I think the whole victimization mentality holds any group down way more than outside societal pressures do. Attitude is all. Do we have a woman president yet? No. But we haven't had a woman run for president yet either. Do women support women who run for vice president? Hell no. Hillary was too _______ (fill in the blank) for some women to support. Sarah Palin was right out because she was pro-life and conservative. Geraldine Ferraro was ___________. All my life I have watched women and have seen them attack each other viciously. Women who stay home with their kids criticize those who work. Working women criticize stay at home moms. With friends like each other, why would women need enemies? Seriously, men are not our worst enemies: we are. That's why I am so happy to find this site. I love the idea of women coming together to support each other while agreeing to respect each other's differing opinions. It's time we stopped criticizing each other and start working together. Men do that so well: why can't we? Personally, I don’t feel that I am disadvantaged by being a woman. In fact, I don’t feel victimized at all. While I readily admit that there are many areas in which improvement could be made, I also recognize the tremendous and amazing strides that American women have made toward true equality with men. Personally, and it’s only my opinion, I think the whole victimization mentality holds any group down way more than outside societal pressures do. Attitude is all.

Do we have a woman president yet? No. But we haven’t had a woman run for president yet either. Do women support women who run for vice president? Hell no. Hillary was too _______ (fill in the blank) for some women to support. Sarah Palin was right out because she was pro-life and conservative. Geraldine Ferraro was ___________.

All my life I have watched women and have seen them attack each other viciously. Women who stay home with their kids criticize those who work. Working women criticize stay at home moms. With friends like each other, why would women need enemies? Seriously, men are not our worst enemies: we are.

That’s why I am so happy to find this site. I love the idea of women coming together to support each other while agreeing to respect each other’s differing opinions. It’s time we stopped criticizing each other and start working together. Men do that so well: why can’t we?

]]> By: the15th http://www.thenewagenda.net/2010/02/06/a-first-is-on-the-way-angela-mcglowan/comment-page-1/#comment-42642 the15th Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:11:17 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=18517#comment-42642 I like "the women's rights movement" and "women's rights advocates," if you're going to get rid of "feminism," a term I believe is still relevant. The two points any term has to cover: we're fighting for equality between men and women, and right now women are disadvantaged. "Equalist" covers the first, sort of (no mention of gender) and doesn't cover the second at all. I like “the women’s rights movement” and “women’s rights advocates,” if you’re going to get rid of “feminism,” a term I believe is still relevant. The two points any term has to cover: we’re fighting for equality between men and women, and right now women are disadvantaged. “Equalist” covers the first, sort of (no mention of gender) and doesn’t cover the second at all.

]]> By: Kathleen http://www.thenewagenda.net/2010/02/06/a-first-is-on-the-way-angela-mcglowan/comment-page-1/#comment-42584 Kathleen Thu, 11 Feb 2010 04:06:51 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=18517#comment-42584 Marille and Karen, I am 45 years old and thought of myself as a feminist from the time I could pronounce the word until I was told I could not use that word to describe myself - by other women. Go to any "feminist" site and admit that you are pro-life and see what happens. The word "feminist" has been so co-opted by a certain group of women that I'm not sure it really does represent a lot of us anymore. That doesn't mean that we can't be proud and pro-woman. It just means that some of us aren't comfortable with that label anymore. I wish we could come up with a new word. Equalist is the best I've been able to do - I welcome any suggestions. Marille and Karen,

I am 45 years old and thought of myself as a feminist from the time I could pronounce the word until I was told I could not use that word to describe myself – by other women. Go to any “feminist” site and admit that you are pro-life and see what happens.

The word “feminist” has been so co-opted by a certain group of women that I’m not sure it really does represent a lot of us anymore. That doesn’t mean that we can’t be proud and pro-woman. It just means that some of us aren’t comfortable with that label anymore. I wish we could come up with a new word. Equalist is the best I’ve been able to do – I welcome any suggestions.

]]> By: Karen http://www.thenewagenda.net/2010/02/06/a-first-is-on-the-way-angela-mcglowan/comment-page-1/#comment-42580 Karen Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:44:13 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=18517#comment-42580 My thoughts and feelings exactly, Marille! I want to see the word "feminist" become a positive and empowering term for everyone to use. That was how women meant the word to be used. I am proud to think of myself as a feminist, and I want other women to be proud as well. My thoughts and feelings exactly, Marille! I want to see the word “feminist” become a positive and empowering term for everyone to use. That was how women meant the word to be used. I am proud to think of myself as a feminist, and I want other women to be proud as well.

]]> By: marille http://www.thenewagenda.net/2010/02/06/a-first-is-on-the-way-angela-mcglowan/comment-page-1/#comment-42579 marille Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:34:19 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=18517#comment-42579 I am not feeling comfortable with this "I am not a feminist" and branding the term like some of the NOW women we disagree with. I called myself a feminist ever since I knew the term. 2nd wave feminism was not just about being liberal, pro gay, pro choice but also for recognizing womens' accompolishments in politics, arts, music and everywhere. and for attempting to build spaces for rescue and development for women. the many women bookshops, literature and CDs digging out forgotten women which are available are often the result of these earlier attempts. the first wave the suffragettes were greatly disrespected and ridiculed and it takes conscienceness raising to pull out their achievements. the second wave has been silenced by the typical practices of patriarchy. but one does not have to go back to the past movements. today there are pro-choice liberal women calling themselves feminists, there are pro-life women supporting women. and there are many in between see the MORE discussion on pro-choice. and many call themselves feminists. I hope that somehow Angela McGLowan can raise above the statement stated here. and recognize that feminism is not embracing victimhood helplessly attacking the almighty, but I complicated mix of women who all intend to support each others endeveours and not fall for the cheap praise they get from the right and left when attacking or distancing from other women. I am not feeling comfortable with this “I am not a feminist” and branding the term like some of the NOW women we disagree with. I called myself a feminist ever since I knew the term. 2nd wave feminism was not just about being liberal, pro gay, pro choice but also for recognizing womens’ accompolishments in politics, arts, music and everywhere. and for attempting to build spaces for rescue and development for women. the many women bookshops, literature and CDs digging out forgotten women which are available are often the result of these earlier attempts. the first wave the suffragettes were greatly disrespected and ridiculed and it takes conscienceness raising to pull out their achievements. the second wave has been silenced by the typical practices of patriarchy.
but one does not have to go back to the past movements. today there are pro-choice liberal women calling themselves feminists, there are pro-life women supporting women. and there are many in between see the MORE discussion on pro-choice. and many call themselves feminists.
I hope that somehow Angela McGLowan can raise above the statement stated here. and recognize that feminism is not embracing victimhood helplessly attacking the almighty, but I complicated mix of women who all intend to support each others endeveours and not fall for the cheap praise they get from the right and left when attacking or distancing from other women.

]]> By: Karen http://www.thenewagenda.net/2010/02/06/a-first-is-on-the-way-angela-mcglowan/comment-page-1/#comment-42566 Karen Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:37:05 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=18517#comment-42566 "women who beat up on other women because of a difference of opinion are no different from the people who will call Ms. McGowan a “sell out” and an “Uncle Tom” because she’s running as a Republican. No one is more beaten up on than African American conservatives" Kathleen, just about every Republican who also belongs to a minority are shunned and insulted and horribly mistreated by their liberal counterparts. It really aggravates me to see them be the victims of hypocrisy. They are accused of being traitors to their fellow minorities when they really just have different opinions. Yet their liberal counterparts never permit them the freedom to enjoy their individuality. These groups have my deepest sympathy. http://gayconservative.org/ “women who beat up on other women because of a difference of opinion are no different from the people who will call Ms. McGowan a “sell out” and an “Uncle Tom” because she’s running as a Republican. No one is more beaten up on than African American conservatives”

Kathleen, just about every Republican who also belongs to a minority are shunned and insulted and horribly mistreated by their liberal counterparts. It really aggravates me to see them be the victims of hypocrisy. They are accused of being traitors to their fellow minorities when they really just have different opinions. Yet their liberal counterparts never permit them the freedom to enjoy their individuality. These groups have my deepest sympathy.

http://gayconservative.org/

]]> By: Amy Siskind http://www.thenewagenda.net/2010/02/06/a-first-is-on-the-way-angela-mcglowan/comment-page-1/#comment-42560 Amy Siskind Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:12:20 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=18517#comment-42560 Kathleen, I am President of TNA and I don't consider myself a "feminist" either. Welcome! We would love to have you write a blog piece about seeing her speak at the convention. You can submit it to our blog under the "Contact Us" (About Us tab). Amy Kathleen,

I am President of TNA and I don’t consider myself a “feminist” either. Welcome!

We would love to have you write a blog piece about seeing her speak at the convention. You can submit it to our blog under the “Contact Us” (About Us tab).
Amy

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