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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathleen, the outlook express email is Solarflare@att.net</description>
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		<title>By: HeroesGetMade</title>
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		<dc:creator>HeroesGetMade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I get what Bes is talking about wrt the &#039;frontier spirit&#039; of women who grew up west of the Mississippi, but I don&#039;t think there&#039;s an east/west divide in our country when it comes to sexism/misogyny. After all, where is much of the misogyny coming from that&#039;s broadcast into most of our homes nightly on the tv? Hollywood, which has almost single-handedly convinced the next generation coming up that the only fair use of women is as prey. Even sadder, there are girls growing up who actually think something is wrong with them when they don&#039;t enjoy abuse.

The emanation of all this backlash misogyny is not just a bi-coastal phenomenon, either. I think Margaret Mead was actually onto something rather large when she noted differences between people who grow up in large cities vs people who come from rural backgrounds. I mean no disrespect to people who come from urban backgrounds, but I have seen what she&#039;s talking about in real life when it comes to the tendency of people who&#039;ve grown up in large cities to basically go along to get along. It&#039;s probably a matter of survival in large cities to not piss off the wrong people who happen to live cheek by jowl with you, and it comes to be a way of life. I think Mead&#039;s major contention was that people who grow up in the country have the space and time to find out their true character, who they really are at a young age, precisely because they have more personal freedom to go about this journey. I think it was Patsy Mink who made the observation that one of the reasons why she was always going against the flow was because she had developed an independent spirit roaming around the Hawaiian countryside as a girl, and there was nothing and no one who could ever take that away from her. I see that same thing in Sarah Palin, I think she&#039;s a born contrarian; it was perfect that she ran as a maverick, although I don&#039;t believe McCain&#039;s half the maverick she is. Contrast this with Obama, who would do just about anything to curry favor with anyone who could help his career along. I haven&#039;t read his first autobiography, but the snippets I read from &lt;i&gt;Audacity of Hope &lt;/i&gt; suggest someone who&#039;s always looking to win over, by any means necessary, someone who is fundamentally opposed to him. Where I come from, there&#039;s a term for this type of  person - a bs artist.

Judging by who got the tingles from the hope and change roadshow, the people in fly-over country have very keen bs detectors, having remained almost entirely tingle-free. I may quibble with their definitions of socialism and forget my manners when they start talking about casting demons out of engine blocks and the such, but I&#039;m sticking with my fellow fly-over country people when it comes to basic judgements about who&#039;s full of it. I also notice, having grown up around women who literally have done and continue to do everything, many of the men in fly-over country don&#039;t feel intimidated by women like Hillary Clinton or Sarah Palin. It&#039;s interesting, to say the least. The boys on the tv trash-talking all the female politicians probably didn&#039;t get out of the house much when they were young, by the looks of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I get what Bes is talking about wrt the &#8216;frontier spirit&#8217; of women who grew up west of the Mississippi, but I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s an east/west divide in our country when it comes to sexism/misogyny. After all, where is much of the misogyny coming from that&#8217;s broadcast into most of our homes nightly on the tv? Hollywood, which has almost single-handedly convinced the next generation coming up that the only fair use of women is as prey. Even sadder, there are girls growing up who actually think something is wrong with them when they don&#8217;t enjoy abuse.</p>
<p>The emanation of all this backlash misogyny is not just a bi-coastal phenomenon, either. I think Margaret Mead was actually onto something rather large when she noted differences between people who grow up in large cities vs people who come from rural backgrounds. I mean no disrespect to people who come from urban backgrounds, but I have seen what she&#8217;s talking about in real life when it comes to the tendency of people who&#8217;ve grown up in large cities to basically go along to get along. It&#8217;s probably a matter of survival in large cities to not piss off the wrong people who happen to live cheek by jowl with you, and it comes to be a way of life. I think Mead&#8217;s major contention was that people who grow up in the country have the space and time to find out their true character, who they really are at a young age, precisely because they have more personal freedom to go about this journey. I think it was Patsy Mink who made the observation that one of the reasons why she was always going against the flow was because she had developed an independent spirit roaming around the Hawaiian countryside as a girl, and there was nothing and no one who could ever take that away from her. I see that same thing in Sarah Palin, I think she&#8217;s a born contrarian; it was perfect that she ran as a maverick, although I don&#8217;t believe McCain&#8217;s half the maverick she is. Contrast this with Obama, who would do just about anything to curry favor with anyone who could help his career along. I haven&#8217;t read his first autobiography, but the snippets I read from <i>Audacity of Hope </i> suggest someone who&#8217;s always looking to win over, by any means necessary, someone who is fundamentally opposed to him. Where I come from, there&#8217;s a term for this type of  person &#8211; a bs artist.</p>
<p>Judging by who got the tingles from the hope and change roadshow, the people in fly-over country have very keen bs detectors, having remained almost entirely tingle-free. I may quibble with their definitions of socialism and forget my manners when they start talking about casting demons out of engine blocks and the such, but I&#8217;m sticking with my fellow fly-over country people when it comes to basic judgements about who&#8217;s full of it. I also notice, having grown up around women who literally have done and continue to do everything, many of the men in fly-over country don&#8217;t feel intimidated by women like Hillary Clinton or Sarah Palin. It&#8217;s interesting, to say the least. The boys on the tv trash-talking all the female politicians probably didn&#8217;t get out of the house much when they were young, by the looks of them.</p>
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		<title>By: marille</title>
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		<dc:creator>marille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 16:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Patty, I agree with you on setting a high bar before claiming sexism and patriarchy is over. to me that we can have bank accounts, own land and have inheritance patterns female to female is not a sign that patriarchy is over. if there were no strip club, no rape or other form of sexual violence, I would start believing that women are respected. still having all states in the partriarchy category there are differences of levels of sexism. a state with two female senators and a female governor shows me that the population is operating on a higher level of respect for women.in these subtle differences may be beneficial for a strategy to overcome all disrespect for women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Patty, I agree with you on setting a high bar before claiming sexism and patriarchy is over. to me that we can have bank accounts, own land and have inheritance patterns female to female is not a sign that patriarchy is over. if there were no strip club, no rape or other form of sexual violence, I would start believing that women are respected. still having all states in the partriarchy category there are differences of levels of sexism. a state with two female senators and a female governor shows me that the population is operating on a higher level of respect for women.in these subtle differences may be beneficial for a strategy to overcome all disrespect for women.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Wynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen Wynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen,

Why don&#039;t you give me your e-mail address and I&#039;ll contact you?</description>
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<p>Why don&#8217;t you give me your e-mail address and I&#8217;ll contact you?</p>
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		<title>By: Patti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 07:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I remind Bes that the State Legislature in Washington state is 68% male. And the reason our US Senators are female is because they were the Democrat nominees in a Democrat leaning state due to the population of Seattle. If they were Dem males they would have won. Our female Democrat governor barely won both elections, when I say barely, I mean within a few hundred votes. I wish I could agree with you, Bes, but every time you claim that the West is not sexist, I cringe. How do you explain the bikini barista stands on every street corner? Have we ridded our state of strip clubs yet? Sexism is still alive and well here in the PNW. I see it every single day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I remind Bes that the State Legislature in Washington state is 68% male. And the reason our US Senators are female is because they were the Democrat nominees in a Democrat leaning state due to the population of Seattle. If they were Dem males they would have won. Our female Democrat governor barely won both elections, when I say barely, I mean within a few hundred votes. I wish I could agree with you, Bes, but every time you claim that the West is not sexist, I cringe. How do you explain the bikini barista stands on every street corner? Have we ridded our state of strip clubs yet? Sexism is still alive and well here in the PNW. I see it every single day.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 07:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>because I wanted to talk to you privately.  We can still discuss Perry here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>because I wanted to talk to you privately.  We can still discuss Perry here.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Wynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen Wynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 02:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen,

May I ask why we should take our discussion about Perry off blog?  I&#039;ve always thought that public debate is healthy and opens the door to new ideas and perceptions to be out there for consideration and thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen,</p>
<p>May I ask why we should take our discussion about Perry off blog?  I&#8217;ve always thought that public debate is healthy and opens the door to new ideas and perceptions to be out there for consideration and thought.</p>
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		<title>By: jenniferintexas</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenniferintexas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, and Bes YES MA&#039;AM I agree with you, I do not think that Kay is &quot;perfectly good.&quot;  I think she and Mr. Good Hair are both crappy but she is MORE crappy.

And Kay is going to lose because of the lie people.  She voted with Mr. Obama and she lied to Texas, and in this economy with the nonsense and evil going on in Washington, I am sorry but voters are not going to forget those two things.  Unfortunately, I think she sealed her own fate.

Take any woman in Texas, show me she has common sense and is honest, and I would cast my vote for HER for gov in a heartbeat.  I am a firm believer that most women do it better, but most does not mean all.  There are plenty of women that are as bad or worse than most men and I am not voting for them just because they are women.

Call me the enemy, but I don&#039;t think I am.  I just want good people to be in charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, and Bes YES MA&#8217;AM I agree with you, I do not think that Kay is &#8220;perfectly good.&#8221;  I think she and Mr. Good Hair are both crappy but she is MORE crappy.</p>
<p>And Kay is going to lose because of the lie people.  She voted with Mr. Obama and she lied to Texas, and in this economy with the nonsense and evil going on in Washington, I am sorry but voters are not going to forget those two things.  Unfortunately, I think she sealed her own fate.</p>
<p>Take any woman in Texas, show me she has common sense and is honest, and I would cast my vote for HER for gov in a heartbeat.  I am a firm believer that most women do it better, but most does not mean all.  There are plenty of women that are as bad or worse than most men and I am not voting for them just because they are women.</p>
<p>Call me the enemy, but I don&#8217;t think I am.  I just want good people to be in charge.</p>
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		<title>By: Bes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing, a large part of keeping women down is shutting them up which corporate media has been very good at.  With the internet we  can get around that.  I think giving women a place to post a chapter from books they write so we could buy (download) the rest of the book if interested would give women writers a way to sell their ideas and facilitate female communication, and fire up feminisim.  I know I would love to read some fiction about a group of ordinary women who form a secret group to disrupt and fire bomb Corporate America and K street.  Sort of feminist Robin Hoods.  I also know a book like that would never make it through an old fashioned corporate male approval process, but now it doesn&#039;t have to.  Fireing up the female imagination, especially that of our young girls is important and could revive feminisim.  Sorry for my spelling, I somehow turned off my spell check and can&#039;t figure out how to turn it back on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing, a large part of keeping women down is shutting them up which corporate media has been very good at.  With the internet we  can get around that.  I think giving women a place to post a chapter from books they write so we could buy (download) the rest of the book if interested would give women writers a way to sell their ideas and facilitate female communication, and fire up feminisim.  I know I would love to read some fiction about a group of ordinary women who form a secret group to disrupt and fire bomb Corporate America and K street.  Sort of feminist Robin Hoods.  I also know a book like that would never make it through an old fashioned corporate male approval process, but now it doesn&#8217;t have to.  Fireing up the female imagination, especially that of our young girls is important and could revive feminisim.  Sorry for my spelling, I somehow turned off my spell check and can&#8217;t figure out how to turn it back on.</p>
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		<title>By: HeroesGetMade</title>
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		<dc:creator>HeroesGetMade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like the blogger who wants to re-elect Guvnor Good Hair (h/t to another great Texas woman, Molly Ivins) fears what would happen if women from various factions united behind KBH&#039;s candidacy &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt;she&#039;s a woman rather than &lt;i&gt;in spite of&lt;/i&gt; the fact that she&#039;s a woman. It just might catch on, and then where would we be? Possibly post-patriarchy, that&#039;s where, and that&#039;s a place the establishment, being male, fears most of all. Apparently, KBH standing up for women is equivalent in his mind to white supremacists standing up for the poor down-trodden white men, burdened as they are with all that unearned privilege, one of which is running everything, according to rules they invented, into the ground.

I&#039;ve watched with great interest, New Agenda&#039;s efforts to get the 30% solution off the ground. It&#039;s about the only thing that hasn&#039;t been tried to get our very unbalanced world back into some semblance of balance, and therefore, good working order. Unfortunately, the maiden voyage was Coakley&#039;s run in MA and we all know how that turned out, a very inauspicious beginning to say the least. There are some lessons to be learned there, one of which is that women who run as dems in the age of Obama have a serious handicap to overcome. The Send a Message crowd won out, but the real message has become muddled, as it always is, by the powers that be. The real message is that Obama and his policies are highly unpopular, left right and center, and anyone who is seen as going along with him will more than likely go down in flames. If that person is a dem woman, there are the extra obstacles afforded by sexism and being starved of the all-important campaign $ by the party if you try to run against the Obama millstone. This pains me as a long-time former dem-voting woman who wants to see progressive women voted into office. If I was in MA, I would&#039;ve voted for Coakley in a flat second. I&#039;m in NM and will hopefully be able to cast a vote for our first female governor, Diane Denish. I grew up in MO and will support, however I can, the candidacy of Robin Carnahan for Roy Blunt&#039;s Senate seat. If I was in Texas, there&#039;d be no doubt in my mind about voting for KBH, it&#039;d be a done deal. In 2012, if Palin makes it past the GOP version of the good ol&#039; boys gauntlet, and the dems don&#039;t have the sense to change horses, I&#039;ll probably be casting my first vote for a woman for POTUS, unless there&#039;s some insurgent third party running a better &lt;i&gt;woman&lt;/i&gt; for president.

To a person mired down in the old partisan way of thinking, either of which is poisoned by the patriarchy, my votes and support probably seem to be all over the place, but they are decidedly not. They are all of piece, all anti-establishment, all pro-women, all solution-oriented instead of repeating the old insanity of voting for men, hoping against all well-established evidence that they can overcome their conditioning and represent all people, not just men. In 5000 years, men haven&#039;t seen fit to recognize women as fellow people and represent their interests when they&#039;ve had the chance, and I predict this year will be no different, no matter how many men women decide are the &#039;better candidate&#039;.

I&#039;ve heard that 30% of the Senate seats are up for grabs this year, and plenty of women are running for them. If we could elect women running for all those seats and add them to the incumbent women in the Senate, we could see whether 30% is the tipping point by the end of this year, with our own eyes. People don&#039;t want change they can believe in, they want change they can actually &lt;i&gt;see&lt;/i&gt;. Seeing is believing, no? So let&#039;s just see whether this 30% thing is real change or not. The catch is, though, that women have to stop being divided, conquered, and suckered into voting for men when there are perfectly good women running. We should know by now where the highway goes on that one, a place where the blogger boy for Guvnor Good Hair no doubt feels very comfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like the blogger who wants to re-elect Guvnor Good Hair (h/t to another great Texas woman, Molly Ivins) fears what would happen if women from various factions united behind KBH&#8217;s candidacy <i>because</i>she&#8217;s a woman rather than <i>in spite of</i> the fact that she&#8217;s a woman. It just might catch on, and then where would we be? Possibly post-patriarchy, that&#8217;s where, and that&#8217;s a place the establishment, being male, fears most of all. Apparently, KBH standing up for women is equivalent in his mind to white supremacists standing up for the poor down-trodden white men, burdened as they are with all that unearned privilege, one of which is running everything, according to rules they invented, into the ground.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve watched with great interest, New Agenda&#8217;s efforts to get the 30% solution off the ground. It&#8217;s about the only thing that hasn&#8217;t been tried to get our very unbalanced world back into some semblance of balance, and therefore, good working order. Unfortunately, the maiden voyage was Coakley&#8217;s run in MA and we all know how that turned out, a very inauspicious beginning to say the least. There are some lessons to be learned there, one of which is that women who run as dems in the age of Obama have a serious handicap to overcome. The Send a Message crowd won out, but the real message has become muddled, as it always is, by the powers that be. The real message is that Obama and his policies are highly unpopular, left right and center, and anyone who is seen as going along with him will more than likely go down in flames. If that person is a dem woman, there are the extra obstacles afforded by sexism and being starved of the all-important campaign $ by the party if you try to run against the Obama millstone. This pains me as a long-time former dem-voting woman who wants to see progressive women voted into office. If I was in MA, I would&#8217;ve voted for Coakley in a flat second. I&#8217;m in NM and will hopefully be able to cast a vote for our first female governor, Diane Denish. I grew up in MO and will support, however I can, the candidacy of Robin Carnahan for Roy Blunt&#8217;s Senate seat. If I was in Texas, there&#8217;d be no doubt in my mind about voting for KBH, it&#8217;d be a done deal. In 2012, if Palin makes it past the GOP version of the good ol&#8217; boys gauntlet, and the dems don&#8217;t have the sense to change horses, I&#8217;ll probably be casting my first vote for a woman for POTUS, unless there&#8217;s some insurgent third party running a better <i>woman</i> for president.</p>
<p>To a person mired down in the old partisan way of thinking, either of which is poisoned by the patriarchy, my votes and support probably seem to be all over the place, but they are decidedly not. They are all of piece, all anti-establishment, all pro-women, all solution-oriented instead of repeating the old insanity of voting for men, hoping against all well-established evidence that they can overcome their conditioning and represent all people, not just men. In 5000 years, men haven&#8217;t seen fit to recognize women as fellow people and represent their interests when they&#8217;ve had the chance, and I predict this year will be no different, no matter how many men women decide are the &#8216;better candidate&#8217;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard that 30% of the Senate seats are up for grabs this year, and plenty of women are running for them. If we could elect women running for all those seats and add them to the incumbent women in the Senate, we could see whether 30% is the tipping point by the end of this year, with our own eyes. People don&#8217;t want change they can believe in, they want change they can actually <i>see</i>. Seeing is believing, no? So let&#8217;s just see whether this 30% thing is real change or not. The catch is, though, that women have to stop being divided, conquered, and suckered into voting for men when there are perfectly good women running. We should know by now where the highway goes on that one, a place where the blogger boy for Guvnor Good Hair no doubt feels very comfortable.</p>
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