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		<title>By: Marguerite Rigoglioso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marguerite Rigoglioso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Artemis: Are you the person I knew in Boston? IF so, please email me. I&#039;m coming for a visit about my new book and want you to come to one of my presentations.</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Bartmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Bartmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This blog rocks! I gotta say, that I read a lot of blogs on a daily basis and for the most part, people lack substance but, I just wanted to make a quick comment to say I&#039;m glad I found your blog.  Thanks,

A definite great read.. &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/~bill-bartmann&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;:)&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.jfrog.org/confluence/display/~bill-bartmann&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;-Bill-Bartmann&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This blog rocks! I gotta say, that I read a lot of blogs on a daily basis and for the most part, people lack substance but, I just wanted to make a quick comment to say I&#8217;m glad I found your blog.  Thanks,</p>
<p>A definite great read.. <a href="http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/~bill-bartmann" rel="nofollow"> <img src='http://www.thenewagenda.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </a></p>
<p><a href="http://wiki.jfrog.org/confluence/display/~bill-bartmann" rel="nofollow">-Bill-Bartmann</a></p>
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		<title>By: A Universal Doctrine of Women’s Rights. &#171; ACT Northern Virginia/Richmond/DC Metro Chapter. Dedicated to the Defense of our freedom from Islamic Ideology.</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Universal Doctrine of Women’s Rights. &#171; ACT Northern Virginia/Richmond/DC Metro Chapter. Dedicated to the Defense of our freedom from Islamic Ideology.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chesler has been writing about this for years, most recently, in The Death of Feminism. Recently, Artemis March has supported this point of view in a very good position paper of her own on the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chesler Chronicles &#187; A Universal Doctrine of Women&#8217;s Rights.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chesler Chronicles &#187; A Universal Doctrine of Women&#8217;s Rights.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chesler has been writing about this for years, most recently, in The Death of Feminism. Recently, Artemis March has supported this point of view in a very good position paper of her own on the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Marjorie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marjorie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most interesting discussion regarding male violence toward a woman partner. 
Another aspect of the issue is how women might respond. 
We know from the Department of Justice Statistics, a high percentage of women deaths are committed by spouses, ex-spouses, and boy friends. My own experience tells me a woman who is financially independent can make choices unavailable to a woman without financial means. Young women should be encouraged early on to seek out an education and occupations permitting them to support themselves and children --preferably BEFORE intimate attachments. While not a guarantee of their safety from such violence, financial independence will make safety more possible: a woman can remove herself and her children from the home and knowledge of her financial independence will encourage rational independent thinking re: her situation.
The DOJ statistics show a decline in female deaths by an intimate partner after 1990. Might an in-depth examination of these statistics might show higher levels of female education and/or higher levels of financial independence resulting from education and job opportunities? Do the DOJ stats parallel influences of the women&#039;s movement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most interesting discussion regarding male violence toward a woman partner.<br />
Another aspect of the issue is how women might respond.<br />
We know from the Department of Justice Statistics, a high percentage of women deaths are committed by spouses, ex-spouses, and boy friends. My own experience tells me a woman who is financially independent can make choices unavailable to a woman without financial means. Young women should be encouraged early on to seek out an education and occupations permitting them to support themselves and children &#8211;preferably BEFORE intimate attachments. While not a guarantee of their safety from such violence, financial independence will make safety more possible: a woman can remove herself and her children from the home and knowledge of her financial independence will encourage rational independent thinking re: her situation.<br />
The DOJ statistics show a decline in female deaths by an intimate partner after 1990. Might an in-depth examination of these statistics might show higher levels of female education and/or higher levels of financial independence resulting from education and job opportunities? Do the DOJ stats parallel influences of the women&#8217;s movement?</p>
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		<title>By: Adrienne Grey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrienne Grey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, addressing the common cultural components that enable violence against women is absolutely necessary.  

In addition, I would like to see the New Feminism get real about the fact that culture -- any culture -- is only part of the explanation for why humans behave as they do.  The other part -- the third rail, apparently, judging from the reception to this idea by traditional feminists -- is biology.  While there&#039;s no perfect algorithm for the proportion nature or nurture plays in behavior, or which takes precedence in which instances, current science based on extensive study of twins raised separately suggests something like a 50-50 contribution overall.  Bottom line:  the answer to why one in three women is brutalized, and what we should do to stop it, cannot be gotten to by examining nurture alone.  We need to consider nature as well.

Concerns that a biological basis for violence against women will &quot;let men off the hook&quot; for their actions are unfounded.  

For example, people today rise above tribalism and suspicion of &quot;the other&quot; expressed as racism -- instincts that were selected for in our evolutionary history because they protected small bands of early humans from contamination or conquest by unrelated and possibly hostile groups.  Even though many societies inculcate their members to accept everyone, the instinct to notice and react to &quot;difference&quot; remains and will reassert itself (particularly when externally exploited) without constant societal vigilance.  This is true even though individual susceptibility to racism varies.  Numerous experiments bear this out, where kids are split into groups by eye or hair color, then placed in competition for some resource, resulting in angry feuding and denunciations of the &quot;other&quot; group.  Some societies make a conscious choice to counteract nature -- humans&#039; instinctual tribalism -- through nurture -- actively affirming acceptance of every color, language, style of dress, etc., and carefully monitoring and proscribing attempts at divisiveness.

In the same way, should science confirm in humans (as is observed in many other mammals) that males are predisposed to possess and control females in an attempt to regulate paternity, so that his and only his genetic line benefits from his care and resources (the explanation for everything from jealousy to cruelty toward step-children), and that this powerful sex drive is sometimes expressed in verbal/physical violence towards women, we still get to decide, as some societies already have, that it&#039;s NOT OK and should be curtailed.  The difference is that instead of settling for one-dimensional prohibitions and blame-based punishments, most of which presume men who attempt to exert control over women are ignorant or just bad, our understanding would be holistic and more likely lead to solutions not yet entertained.

*****A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, addressing the common cultural components that enable violence against women is absolutely necessary.  </p>
<p>In addition, I would like to see the New Feminism get real about the fact that culture &#8212; any culture &#8212; is only part of the explanation for why humans behave as they do.  The other part &#8212; the third rail, apparently, judging from the reception to this idea by traditional feminists &#8212; is biology.  While there&#8217;s no perfect algorithm for the proportion nature or nurture plays in behavior, or which takes precedence in which instances, current science based on extensive study of twins raised separately suggests something like a 50-50 contribution overall.  Bottom line:  the answer to why one in three women is brutalized, and what we should do to stop it, cannot be gotten to by examining nurture alone.  We need to consider nature as well.</p>
<p>Concerns that a biological basis for violence against women will &#8220;let men off the hook&#8221; for their actions are unfounded.  </p>
<p>For example, people today rise above tribalism and suspicion of &#8220;the other&#8221; expressed as racism &#8212; instincts that were selected for in our evolutionary history because they protected small bands of early humans from contamination or conquest by unrelated and possibly hostile groups.  Even though many societies inculcate their members to accept everyone, the instinct to notice and react to &#8220;difference&#8221; remains and will reassert itself (particularly when externally exploited) without constant societal vigilance.  This is true even though individual susceptibility to racism varies.  Numerous experiments bear this out, where kids are split into groups by eye or hair color, then placed in competition for some resource, resulting in angry feuding and denunciations of the &#8220;other&#8221; group.  Some societies make a conscious choice to counteract nature &#8212; humans&#8217; instinctual tribalism &#8212; through nurture &#8212; actively affirming acceptance of every color, language, style of dress, etc., and carefully monitoring and proscribing attempts at divisiveness.</p>
<p>In the same way, should science confirm in humans (as is observed in many other mammals) that males are predisposed to possess and control females in an attempt to regulate paternity, so that his and only his genetic line benefits from his care and resources (the explanation for everything from jealousy to cruelty toward step-children), and that this powerful sex drive is sometimes expressed in verbal/physical violence towards women, we still get to decide, as some societies already have, that it&#8217;s NOT OK and should be curtailed.  The difference is that instead of settling for one-dimensional prohibitions and blame-based punishments, most of which presume men who attempt to exert control over women are ignorant or just bad, our understanding would be holistic and more likely lead to solutions not yet entertained.</p>
<p>*****A</p>
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		<title>By: Hillarysmygirl16</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hillarysmygirl16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent article and so very true.  Honor killings and female mulitilation by males must stop.</description>
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		<title>By: goesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>goesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;we can be sure that these demands for a double standard in our laws are coming to a neighborhood near you. &quot;

I would say some of the double standard has been here and fully entrenched for a long time - arranged marriages/dowries.

Al Qu&#039;ran :  Surah An-Nissa (11) ~

&quot;Allah commands you concerning your children, the share of male is equal to the share of two females............&quot;

(34)~
&quot;Men are incharge over women, because Allah has made one of them excel over another, and because men have expended their wealth over them, so the virtuous women are submissive, they keep watch in the absence of husband as Allah commanded to watch. And as to those women whose disobedience you fear, then admonish them and sleep apart from them, and beat them (lightly), then if they come under your command, then seek not any way of excess against them. Undoubtedly, Allah is Exalted, Great. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;we can be sure that these demands for a double standard in our laws are coming to a neighborhood near you. &#8221;</p>
<p>I would say some of the double standard has been here and fully entrenched for a long time &#8211; arranged marriages/dowries.</p>
<p>Al Qu&#8217;ran :  Surah An-Nissa (11) ~</p>
<p>&#8220;Allah commands you concerning your children, the share of male is equal to the share of two females&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>(34)~<br />
&#8220;Men are incharge over women, because Allah has made one of them excel over another, and because men have expended their wealth over them, so the virtuous women are submissive, they keep watch in the absence of husband as Allah commanded to watch. And as to those women whose disobedience you fear, then admonish them and sleep apart from them, and beat them (lightly), then if they come under your command, then seek not any way of excess against them. Undoubtedly, Allah is Exalted, Great. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Artemis March PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Artemis March PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your story, Ali. Sometimes when we take a risk, we create an opening that touches the silence in others, enables connection and validation, and emboldens us and them to stand up and take more risks. That is the organic process of real change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your story, Ali. Sometimes when we take a risk, we create an opening that touches the silence in others, enables connection and validation, and emboldens us and them to stand up and take more risks. That is the organic process of real change.</p>
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		<title>By: The New Feminism: Breaking the Multicultural Relativism Taboo : NO QUARTER</title>
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		<dc:creator>The New Feminism: Breaking the Multicultural Relativism Taboo : NO QUARTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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