Comments on: Carly Fiorina and Cokie Roberts attempt to talk about sexism, get cut off by Sam Donaldson http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/25/carly-fiorina-and-cokie-roberts-attempt-to-talk-about-sexism-get-cut-off-by-sam-donaldson/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:38:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kiuku http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/25/carly-fiorina-and-cokie-roberts-attempt-to-talk-about-sexism-get-cut-off-by-sam-donaldson/comment-page-1/#comment-9698 Kiuku Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:03:03 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=4622#comment-9698 Also notice how none of the men agree that there need to be more women or should be more women. The only time they mention sexism is to question it's existence. They also have nothing to say about the woman who was appointed. Also notice how none of the men agree that there need to be more women or should be more women. The only time they mention sexism is to question it’s existence. They also have nothing to say about the woman who was appointed.

]]> By: Kiuku http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/25/carly-fiorina-and-cokie-roberts-attempt-to-talk-about-sexism-get-cut-off-by-sam-donaldson/comment-page-1/#comment-9696 Kiuku Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:56:04 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=4622#comment-9696 Yea it's the typical reaction. This is the defense and retort they are accustomed to using with, for instance, their wives. It's a version of the "it's natural" argument; the superiority of white men like Baumeister's "men's sphere". The fact that he burst in with this retort is evidence that this discussion veered off the acceptable path. This wasn't supposed to happen, and as I dissect this discussion I believe what was supposed to happen is that they were supposed to discuss how Feminism or something like that ruined Caroline Kennedy. And the women on the panel simply did not go along with the plan. You see they have two women for a reason. If one gets out of hand they can petition the other woman to disagree with that one, making it look like the one woman does not represent all women, and it is disputable, if for instance, she says something too uppity or Feminist. The men rely on perceived social reward factor in getting one woman to say what they want. But the women knew what was going on, and neither of them fell for it and neither of the women acted according to plan...which is awesome. Good job guys. Yea it’s the typical reaction. This is the defense and retort they are accustomed to using with, for instance, their wives. It’s a version of the “it’s natural” argument; the superiority of white men like Baumeister’s “men’s sphere”. The fact that he burst in with this retort is evidence that this discussion veered off the acceptable path. This wasn’t supposed to happen, and as I dissect this discussion I believe what was supposed to happen is that they were supposed to discuss how Feminism or something like that ruined Caroline Kennedy. And the women on the panel simply did not go along with the plan. You see they have two women for a reason. If one gets out of hand they can petition the other woman to disagree with that one, making it look like the one woman does not represent all women, and it is disputable, if for instance, she says something too uppity or Feminist.

The men rely on perceived social reward factor in getting one woman to say what they want. But the women knew what was going on, and neither of them fell for it and neither of the women acted according to plan…which is awesome.

Good job guys.

]]> By: Anna http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/25/carly-fiorina-and-cokie-roberts-attempt-to-talk-about-sexism-get-cut-off-by-sam-donaldson/comment-page-1/#comment-9671 Anna Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:17:46 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=4622#comment-9671 Kiuku - Glad you brought up WHAT Donaldson said. I thought I heard something to that effect as well and was stunned. Yes: WOW. I must have gone into immediate denial. Kiuku – Glad you brought up WHAT Donaldson said. I thought I heard something to that effect as well and was stunned. Yes: WOW. I must have gone into immediate denial.

]]> By: Kiuku http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/25/carly-fiorina-and-cokie-roberts-attempt-to-talk-about-sexism-get-cut-off-by-sam-donaldson/comment-page-1/#comment-9651 Kiuku Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:19:53 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=4622#comment-9651 Did Donaldson really cut them off on the topic of men, the disparate amount of white men, by saying "Thanks very much. Please try to continue to do it without us" WOW Did Donaldson really cut them off on the topic of men, the disparate amount of white men, by saying “Thanks very much. Please try to continue to do it without us”

WOW

]]> By: Octogalore http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/25/carly-fiorina-and-cokie-roberts-attempt-to-talk-about-sexism-get-cut-off-by-sam-donaldson/comment-page-1/#comment-9650 Octogalore Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:14:30 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=4622#comment-9650 Reminds me of that old New Yorker cartoon (back in the New Yorker's better days) with the middle aged white guys sitting around a table with one woman, unable to hear the woman's proposal until one of the guys voices it. I think this is one where the Sojourner Truth motto, and what Anna said above, are instructive. Playing the game when the game doesn't seem to be about to change, until one is in a position to change it. Which translates to talking longer and louder than the men at the table. I have had a tough time with this and only recently, having turned 40, have started doing it successfully. After having had coffee thrown in my face at Ford, being pushed into the peanut gallery at IBM, and sexually harrassed at a major law firm, I tend to talk very quickly out of fear that my sentences will be cut off. Slowing it down, raising the decibel level and not shutting up has been an exercise. That said, it's a tough one because it often requires more privilege for women than it does for men -- being in a position where people don't want to antagonize us. Reminds me of that old New Yorker cartoon (back in the New Yorker’s better days) with the middle aged white guys sitting around a table with one woman, unable to hear the woman’s proposal until one of the guys voices it.

I think this is one where the Sojourner Truth motto, and what Anna said above, are instructive. Playing the game when the game doesn’t seem to be about to change, until one is in a position to change it. Which translates to talking longer and louder than the men at the table.

I have had a tough time with this and only recently, having turned 40, have started doing it successfully. After having had coffee thrown in my face at Ford, being pushed into the peanut gallery at IBM, and sexually harrassed at a major law firm, I tend to talk very quickly out of fear that my sentences will be cut off. Slowing it down, raising the decibel level and not shutting up has been an exercise. That said, it’s a tough one because it often requires more privilege for women than it does for men — being in a position where people don’t want to antagonize us.

]]> By: Anna from AK http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/25/carly-fiorina-and-cokie-roberts-attempt-to-talk-about-sexism-get-cut-off-by-sam-donaldson/comment-page-1/#comment-9616 Anna from AK Mon, 26 Jan 2009 05:41:59 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=4622#comment-9616 That video still cracks me up, even though I've seen it multiple times! The first time I saw it was on a blog of a women who had come out of the Vision Forum cult ("Biblical" patriarchy). I'm afraid I just can't now my place! That video still cracks me up, even though I’ve seen it multiple times!
The first time I saw it was on a blog of a women who had come out of the Vision Forum cult (“Biblical” patriarchy). I’m afraid I just can’t now my place!

]]> By: NMK http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/25/carly-fiorina-and-cokie-roberts-attempt-to-talk-about-sexism-get-cut-off-by-sam-donaldson/comment-page-1/#comment-9614 NMK Mon, 26 Jan 2009 05:26:30 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=4622#comment-9614 I need a Hamat suit too. I need a Hamat suit too.

]]> By: Sheryl Robinson http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/25/carly-fiorina-and-cokie-roberts-attempt-to-talk-about-sexism-get-cut-off-by-sam-donaldson/comment-page-1/#comment-9612 Sheryl Robinson Mon, 26 Jan 2009 05:16:49 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=4622#comment-9612 That's a great idea, Violet. Then I could just wear the cats underneath the suit. Do you think Amy's dogs will notice? That’s a great idea, Violet. Then I could just wear the cats underneath the suit.

Do you think Amy’s dogs will notice?

]]> By: Violet Socks, Editor http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/25/carly-fiorina-and-cokie-roberts-attempt-to-talk-about-sexism-get-cut-off-by-sam-donaldson/comment-page-1/#comment-9610 Violet Socks, Editor Mon, 26 Jan 2009 04:56:45 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=4622#comment-9610 Sheryl, just wear a HAZMAT suit. You'll be good to go. Sheryl, just wear a HAZMAT suit. You’ll be good to go.

]]> By: Anna http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/25/carly-fiorina-and-cokie-roberts-attempt-to-talk-about-sexism-get-cut-off-by-sam-donaldson/comment-page-1/#comment-9606 Anna Mon, 26 Jan 2009 04:05:06 +0000 http://thenewagenda.net/?p=4622#comment-9606 I was thinking Amy might wear something from the "Hello Kitty" line for her next interview. Sends all the right messages. Sheryl, all I could picture after reading your last post was that scene in Monsters Inc when one of the monsters is caught with a single child's sock on his back and warning signals go off, lights flash and a virtual Hazmat team descend upon the poor creature! It is hilarious! I was thinking Amy might wear something from the “Hello Kitty” line for her next interview. Sends all the right messages.

Sheryl, all I could picture after reading your last post was that scene in Monsters Inc when one of the monsters is caught with a single child’s sock on his back and warning signals go off, lights flash and a virtual Hazmat team descend upon the poor creature! It is hilarious!

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