Comments on: Obama throws Democratic Women under the bus…again…

By: fsteele

fsteele — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 03:02:27 +0000

Alice Paul,

Good for you! Obama re-frames the equal pay issue as not a women’s issue but a family issue. So, how about re-framing family planning as, er, a family issue?

By: Alice Paul

Alice Paul — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:07:14 +0000

The bottom line on this discussion is that Obama is once again NOT who he claimed to be. NOT liberal, NOT pro women, NOT pro choice at all. He’s disregarded and disrespected Hillary Clinton’s positions as being “old school” while turning out to be a complete fraud compared to his “promises” Where have we seen this before? This isn’t new. The shiny young, charming male with the flowery words and promises comes into the office or relationship of any kind and steals away the more competent woman’s position or uses manipulation for gain and once he gets what he wants he shows who he REALLY is. Ho hum, right? EXCEPT this time, it was our future at stake. It was our past that paid and paved the way and was denied. It’s a non issue to most of the world which is the real crime here concerning Obama.

The world is cheering this behavior on…because after all, it’s only women being lied to, cheated and “hoodwinked” We should be willing to “sacrifice”

Abortion rights are not the real issue. The real issue is that Obama is liar who stole history from us and now will not represent his own promises to us in the White House. Feet meet fire, we aren’t going to forget the promises.

By: Sis

Sis — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:59:04 +0000

I’d like to point out Nancy’s divide and conquer tactics here, where she sets Anna apart from the rest of the posters.

I’ve seen this kind of dishonesty in engaging on other feminist boards. It’s usually a man who does this.

By: Sis

Sis — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:54:47 +0000

I don’t see the point of answering “Nancy” anymore. This is a poster who has come here to, as another poster has said, re-argue every point of the election.

As for Palin’s remarks, I stand by what I said. She didn’t say anything about what she’d do if her daughter was raped. And there’s a huge difference between what choices one makes for oneself, and one’s children, and the laws a politician (above) plans to put in place to force others to live by.

As for “Nancy”‘s dismissive comment that claims intellectual high ground that only she stands on while others posting here are just working out their disappointment over Hilary losing: I’m not a Hilary supporter. Never have been.

By: fsteele

fsteele — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:43:24 +0000

Thanks, KayJL,

Must go now. Pls email me at 1950democrat@gmail.com

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By: Thia, GA

Thia, GA — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:31:40 +0000

KayJL

” My primary belief is that the two major parties have veered too far right and too far left, that as a result they’ve polarized America, they see their roles in Congress as that of waging ideological war against each other through party lockstep, and that Americans need to begin talking with each other again. ”

I couldn’t agree more! Let me know if you find that centrist place you talked about.

By: KayJL

KayJL — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:51:25 +0000

fsteele, I like your blog! and definitely get the tone of middle ground.

have you ever thought of adding a “midstream” forum to it?

By: fsteele

fsteele — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:32:36 +0000

KayJL said: “when the candidate who gained from a flawed system becomes the standard bearer, it’s not to his benefit to address the flaws.”

Exactly! That’s one big reason why so many of us Pumas supported McCain/Palin in spite of disagreeing with many of their issues. We wanted the Brazile/Pelosi/Obama faction to lose power, not confirm it.

By: fsteele

fsteele — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:25:29 +0000

KayJL,

What you’re describing comes up in a lot of Puma groups also. Centrism is a big part, so some GOPs and Inds have become involved because they wanted a more centrist home. One of the (too-many imo) mastheads at DailyPuma is “ALTERNATIVE FREE SPEECH from the RADICAL MIDDLE”

One Hillaryis44 Puma and I are doing http://midstreamnews.blogspot.com/ though I’ve got lazy with the most recent few entries.

Many of the Pumas I know were shocked out of ideology by the campaign and are now putting character and fair elections before anything — thus supporting McCain, and now Palin, in spite of differences on issues. Seeing the DNC behave worse than the GOP did in 2000, and being unable to stop them — changed my view of the GOP grassroots.

Apparently I’m using ‘Puma’ in a much wider, more inclusive sense than others here do. The Pumas I know don’t see such narrow sharp divisions, don’t see ‘Puma’ as so clearly defined and limited — it’s more like an attitude shared by many.