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		<title>By: pumabear</title>
		<link>http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/07/the-new-agenda-press-release-on-rick-warren/comment-page-1/#comment-7574</link>
		<dc:creator>pumabear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s useful to parse every religious belief in the world to accept that generally, religion does not support a strong, independent, personally self-directed woman.  Women must subordinate their needs to men, the religious institution and the family.  If women feel strongly about women&#039;s issues they should become spokespersons within their own faiths and within their own families.  Defending or attacking a religion&#039;s position is going nowhere arguing with other women activists.

The democratic party&#039;s efforts to create a new subordination of women&#039;s issues by making Obama the representative of every cause is a sham.

If you want to have your say send a BCC to this link expressing your outrage at the Ms. Mag cover: mkort@msmagazine.com, letterstotheeditor@msmagazine.com, contentsuggestions@msmagazine.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s useful to parse every religious belief in the world to accept that generally, religion does not support a strong, independent, personally self-directed woman.  Women must subordinate their needs to men, the religious institution and the family.  If women feel strongly about women&#8217;s issues they should become spokespersons within their own faiths and within their own families.  Defending or attacking a religion&#8217;s position is going nowhere arguing with other women activists.</p>
<p>The democratic party&#8217;s efforts to create a new subordination of women&#8217;s issues by making Obama the representative of every cause is a sham.</p>
<p>If you want to have your say send a BCC to this link expressing your outrage at the Ms. Mag cover: <a href="mailto:mkort@msmagazine.com">mkort@msmagazine.com</a>, <a href="mailto:letterstotheeditor@msmagazine.com">letterstotheeditor@msmagazine.com</a>, <a href="mailto:contentsuggestions@msmagazine.com">contentsuggestions@msmagazine.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kiuku</title>
		<link>http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/07/the-new-agenda-press-release-on-rick-warren/comment-page-1/#comment-7470</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiuku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2) Sedition. Sedition requires a concert of action in resistance to civil authority. This differs from mutiny by creating violence or disturbance. See subparagraph c(1)( a) above.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm94.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2) Sedition. Sedition requires a concert of action in resistance to civil authority. This differs from mutiny by creating violence or disturbance. See subparagraph c(1)( a) above.</p>
<p><a href="http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm94.htm" rel="nofollow">http://usmilitary.about.com/od...../mcm94.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sis</title>
		<link>http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/07/the-new-agenda-press-release-on-rick-warren/comment-page-1/#comment-7318</link>
		<dc:creator>Sis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna, have you worked as a writer? I have. I&#039;m not confused about what Vi&#039;s saying. 

Read Vi. Read her lots. She knows what she&#039;s doing. She&#039;s an online, free, writing course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna, have you worked as a writer? I have. I&#8217;m not confused about what Vi&#8217;s saying. </p>
<p>Read Vi. Read her lots. She knows what she&#8217;s doing. She&#8217;s an online, free, writing course.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiuku</title>
		<link>http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/07/the-new-agenda-press-release-on-rick-warren/comment-page-1/#comment-7316</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiuku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JBJD,

Further if this progresses past his inauguration, and you are military, you could be charged with inciting disobedience. I don&#039;t know the technical term, but I know the UCMJ good enough to know you would be on shaky ground posting that online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JBJD,</p>
<p>Further if this progresses past his inauguration, and you are military, you could be charged with inciting disobedience. I don&#8217;t know the technical term, but I know the UCMJ good enough to know you would be on shaky ground posting that online.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/07/the-new-agenda-press-release-on-rick-warren/comment-page-1/#comment-7314</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t post on the top thread by Dr. Socks cause of the page alignment, so posting here:

Sis, Dr. Socks and others: I&#039;m not disputing that Warren is physically large. It&#039;s obvious. I&#039;m simply saying it&#039;s my opinion that a writer simply cannot state what they don&#039;t know. I&#039;m not defending Warren. I&#039;m simply saying that he has a set of life experiences behind him that we don&#039;t know and I would not presume to assert that he&#039;s never been physically picked upon. It&#039;s just that simple. Perhaps he hasn&#039;t and likely his size has been an asset in that department. But I know from working in health care and in mental health, along with my own humbling life experience, that it&#039;s truly amazing what various people have lived through that one might never have thought. None of us knows if Warren has ever been physically assaulted. Period. Therefore, we can&#039;t asset it as a statement of fact that he&#039;s never cowered, etc. That&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t post on the top thread by Dr. Socks cause of the page alignment, so posting here:</p>
<p>Sis, Dr. Socks and others: I&#8217;m not disputing that Warren is physically large. It&#8217;s obvious. I&#8217;m simply saying it&#8217;s my opinion that a writer simply cannot state what they don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;m not defending Warren. I&#8217;m simply saying that he has a set of life experiences behind him that we don&#8217;t know and I would not presume to assert that he&#8217;s never been physically picked upon. It&#8217;s just that simple. Perhaps he hasn&#8217;t and likely his size has been an asset in that department. But I know from working in health care and in mental health, along with my own humbling life experience, that it&#8217;s truly amazing what various people have lived through that one might never have thought. None of us knows if Warren has ever been physically assaulted. Period. Therefore, we can&#8217;t asset it as a statement of fact that he&#8217;s never cowered, etc. That&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiuku</title>
		<link>http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/07/the-new-agenda-press-release-on-rick-warren/comment-page-1/#comment-7313</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiuku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is also a larger problem here JBJD, and I hope you get around to reading this before you advertise elsewhere. I&#039;ve seen this and versions like it floating the internet. I&#039;m not saying you don&#039;t have cause to be suspicious about Obama&#039;s credentials or cause to render your own investigation.

 One thing I&#039;m used to, being former military, is people trying to use the good name and honor of military service members to further political agendas. It is ok if the military person themselves wants to contest something in a court of law, but trying to get military personnel to back something political, and convince them based on their strong patriotism is wrong. 

Further you might put them at risk.

I don&#039;t know if you are military yourself. If you are military yourself, I will ask you to reconsider. I am not saying this from any political standpoint. Because I read through it, and it is defamatory at worst, and the speculative nature of the &quot;contest&quot; is insubstantial at best. 

Obama is going to be inaugurated on the 20th and then he will be our sitting President. You address this to all military members as a military contest, and, therefore, in an act of passionate patriotism, an unwitting young soldier could sign his name and identifying information, while on active duty, or as a veteran drawing benefits.

Because it is insubstantial, meaning there is no proof, a General could turn around and charge every single one of them with Subversion. 

I would. 

Revolting is for civilians; not military. If you had proof it would be another issue and this written contest would be much shorter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also a larger problem here JBJD, and I hope you get around to reading this before you advertise elsewhere. I&#8217;ve seen this and versions like it floating the internet. I&#8217;m not saying you don&#8217;t have cause to be suspicious about Obama&#8217;s credentials or cause to render your own investigation.</p>
<p> One thing I&#8217;m used to, being former military, is people trying to use the good name and honor of military service members to further political agendas. It is ok if the military person themselves wants to contest something in a court of law, but trying to get military personnel to back something political, and convince them based on their strong patriotism is wrong. </p>
<p>Further you might put them at risk.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you are military yourself. If you are military yourself, I will ask you to reconsider. I am not saying this from any political standpoint. Because I read through it, and it is defamatory at worst, and the speculative nature of the &#8220;contest&#8221; is insubstantial at best. </p>
<p>Obama is going to be inaugurated on the 20th and then he will be our sitting President. You address this to all military members as a military contest, and, therefore, in an act of passionate patriotism, an unwitting young soldier could sign his name and identifying information, while on active duty, or as a veteran drawing benefits.</p>
<p>Because it is insubstantial, meaning there is no proof, a General could turn around and charge every single one of them with Subversion. </p>
<p>I would. </p>
<p>Revolting is for civilians; not military. If you had proof it would be another issue and this written contest would be much shorter.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/07/the-new-agenda-press-release-on-rick-warren/comment-page-1/#comment-7297</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sis - Thanks for posting that link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sis &#8211; Thanks for posting that link.</p>
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		<title>By: Sis</title>
		<link>http://www.thenewagenda.net/2009/01/07/the-new-agenda-press-release-on-rick-warren/comment-page-1/#comment-7294</link>
		<dc:creator>Sis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently, Warren has harmed the AIDS fight, not helped:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-01-07/the-truth-about-rick-warren-in-africa

Rick Warren&#039;s Africa Problem

by Max Blumenthal


Team Obama likes to cite Warren’s work on AIDS in Africa to combat criticism about the controversial pastor. But how does burning condoms in the name of Jesus save lives?

Once hailed by Time magazine as “America’s Pastor,” California mega-church leader and bestselling author of The Purpose Driven Life Rick Warren now finds himself on the defensive. President-elect Barack Obama’s selection of Warren to deliver the inaugural prayer has generated intense scrutiny of the pastor’s beliefs on social issues, from his vocal support for Prop 8, a ballot initiative banning same-sex marriage in California, to his comparison of homosexuality to pedophilia, incest and bestiality. Many of Obama’s supporters have demanded that he withdraw the invitation.

(...)

Warren’s allies have rolled back key elements of one of the continent’s most successful initiative, the so-called ABC program in Uganda. Stephen Lewis, the United Nations’ special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa, told the New York Times their activism is “resulting in great damage and undoubtedly will cause significant numbers of infections which should never have occurred.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, Warren has harmed the AIDS fight, not helped:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-01-07/the-truth-about-rick-warren-in-africa" rel="nofollow">http://www.thedailybeast.com/b.....-in-africa</a></p>
<p>Rick Warren&#8217;s Africa Problem</p>
<p>by Max Blumenthal</p>
<p>Team Obama likes to cite Warren’s work on AIDS in Africa to combat criticism about the controversial pastor. But how does burning condoms in the name of Jesus save lives?</p>
<p>Once hailed by Time magazine as “America’s Pastor,” California mega-church leader and bestselling author of The Purpose Driven Life Rick Warren now finds himself on the defensive. President-elect Barack Obama’s selection of Warren to deliver the inaugural prayer has generated intense scrutiny of the pastor’s beliefs on social issues, from his vocal support for Prop 8, a ballot initiative banning same-sex marriage in California, to his comparison of homosexuality to pedophilia, incest and bestiality. Many of Obama’s supporters have demanded that he withdraw the invitation.</p>
<p>(&#8230;)</p>
<p>Warren’s allies have rolled back key elements of one of the continent’s most successful initiative, the so-called ABC program in Uganda. Stephen Lewis, the United Nations’ special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa, told the New York Times their activism is “resulting in great damage and undoubtedly will cause significant numbers of infections which should never have occurred.”</p>
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		<title>By: Thia, GA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thia, GA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca,

I cannot stress to you enough that this is NOT about religion.  It is about domestic violence.  I am a Christian but I believe in looking critically at our leaders and calling them out when necessary.  This is about Warren specifically, and the bad advice I feel he gives to battered women.  The spotlight is on him because he was invited by Obama to be part of the inauguration.  I think it is very appropriate that we use that spotlight to speak about domestic violence and the ways in which we disagree with his approach.  I have no doubt that he has done wonderful things for AIDS and Africa, but we are a women&#039;s rights organization and I don&#039;t feel his helping one group excuses his hurting another.  I want him to reconsider and consult some experts in domestic violence so he can offer responsible advice.  Or don&#039;t address it at all and leave it to the domestic violence experts to handle.
I repeat, this is about Domestic Violence, not religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca,</p>
<p>I cannot stress to you enough that this is NOT about religion.  It is about domestic violence.  I am a Christian but I believe in looking critically at our leaders and calling them out when necessary.  This is about Warren specifically, and the bad advice I feel he gives to battered women.  The spotlight is on him because he was invited by Obama to be part of the inauguration.  I think it is very appropriate that we use that spotlight to speak about domestic violence and the ways in which we disagree with his approach.  I have no doubt that he has done wonderful things for AIDS and Africa, but we are a women&#8217;s rights organization and I don&#8217;t feel his helping one group excuses his hurting another.  I want him to reconsider and consult some experts in domestic violence so he can offer responsible advice.  Or don&#8217;t address it at all and leave it to the domestic violence experts to handle.<br />
I repeat, this is about Domestic Violence, not religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one Support Rick Warren and his wife. If you know him you know that he doesn&#039;t stand with one group or another . He is his own person. Those of us that know the bible understand just how important the Mary&#039;s were to Christ and how Christ believed in women in high places. 
Rick Warren has given Millions of his own money to fight AIDS and he has been in the middle of Africa hands on. NOT JUST RUNNING AROUND WITH A WRIST BAND ON. Rick walks the walk, not just talk the talk. How many dollars and hours have members of New Age Agenda given to working in Africa? Talk is cheap. 
I think if you are going to get into religion it will destroy the New Age Agenda. I for one have Pastors that I can&#039;t stand and Churches that I don&#039;t believe in. Where will you stop? Will we all need to take up the Religion of the current founder of New Agenda?
I say you are making a big mistake. Excluding women because of the religion just doesn&#039;t cut it. If this is just going to be an arm of the liberal democrat party why would many of us waste our time being members. Stick with equal pay which we all can support. Day care, Sr. Care. Those are the real issues.  One prayer isn&#039;t an issue since I am sure a Muslim will also be in attendance which is OK by me even if they kill women and keep them from having basic Mammos and education. Where do you draw the line on religion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one Support Rick Warren and his wife. If you know him you know that he doesn&#8217;t stand with one group or another . He is his own person. Those of us that know the bible understand just how important the Mary&#8217;s were to Christ and how Christ believed in women in high places.<br />
Rick Warren has given Millions of his own money to fight AIDS and he has been in the middle of Africa hands on. NOT JUST RUNNING AROUND WITH A WRIST BAND ON. Rick walks the walk, not just talk the talk. How many dollars and hours have members of New Age Agenda given to working in Africa? Talk is cheap.<br />
I think if you are going to get into religion it will destroy the New Age Agenda. I for one have Pastors that I can&#8217;t stand and Churches that I don&#8217;t believe in. Where will you stop? Will we all need to take up the Religion of the current founder of New Agenda?<br />
I say you are making a big mistake. Excluding women because of the religion just doesn&#8217;t cut it. If this is just going to be an arm of the liberal democrat party why would many of us waste our time being members. Stick with equal pay which we all can support. Day care, Sr. Care. Those are the real issues.  One prayer isn&#8217;t an issue since I am sure a Muslim will also be in attendance which is OK by me even if they kill women and keep them from having basic Mammos and education. Where do you draw the line on religion?</p>
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