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What To Do With the Punk

December 9, 2008

by Amy SiskindcloseAuthor: Amy Siskind Name: Amy Siskind
Email: amysisk@optonline.net
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There are many differing views about how to best deal with Favreau and what his punishment should be.

As many of you know, The New Agenda has been the only women’s rights organization to speak out on Favreau. We are absolutely outraged by this punk’s actions.

As some of you might also know, The New Agenda plans to be around for the long-term. One of the central Goals of our organization is to reduce domestic violence.

As such, The New Agenda decided to consult with domestic violence experts and seek out their advice as to how to best deal with this situation, and what to do with the punk. The advice we received was to use Favreau as a tool to open an important dialogue in this country: why is domestic violence so prevalent and what can we do to reduce it.

We would much prefer that the punk makes a public statement acknowledging (for all across the country to hear) that what he did was in fact wrong, and then to explain to the country why. The punk is supposed to be a great speechwriter – we are confident he can find the words.

We are also demanding that the punk spend a few months volunteering at domestic abuse shelter so he can see first hand the effects on the culture that his handiwork encourages.

The New Agenda feels that this would be in the best interest of the women we are here to fight for — the millions of women in this great country who often have no voice.

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  • ER said:

    Thank you Amy! As I explained in my other post, I think the press release was BRILLIANT!

    Quote from the above: “The advice we received was to use Favreau as a tool to open an important dialogue in this country: why is domestic violence so prevalent and what can we do to reduce it.”

    A terrific strategy. Thank you for sharing the background behind the press release. It’s nice to know that the domestic violence experts and those they serve have been given a voice as well by the press release.

    December 9, 2008 at 7:28 pm
  • samanthasmom said:

    The women at a domestic abuse center do not need to be subjected to a jerk like Favreau. They are there to get away from men like him. Just as those senior citizens did not deserve to be subjected to Tonya Harding. Send Favreau to counseling with the abusers of the women in the shelter, maybe. It’s obvious that Obama is not going to fire Favreau. It’s obvious that the good ol’ buys like Carville don’t get it either or just don’t care. Negotiating with Obama over this makes us look like we’ll “settle” for less than this incident deserves. I wouldn’t even bother to listen to a forced apology from this jerk.

    December 9, 2008 at 7:41 pm
  • Amy Siskind (author) said:

    Okay Samanthasmom – let’s play out your scenario (we did last night on Ophelia if you want to listen in). Favreau get fired. Obama gets accolades for listening. Obama is a hero. Nothing comes of it in terms of changing the public’s understanding of what happened and why this is improper behavior.

    Now let’s play out our scenario. The punk is forced by Obama to publicly apologize and explain why what he did was wrong. The country hears and gets to consider a different point of view. We educate thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of young people that *no* – this behavior is NOT acceptable in our society.

    December 9, 2008 at 7:51 pm
  • samanthasmom said:

    Amy,

    I do listen to your radio show. I’m sorry, but the bigger message is that you can do something like this, write a pretty speech, and keep your job. The better message is that behavior like this is wrong, and it’s wrong enough to cost you your job. I’m truly disappointed that the New Agenda is taking this route. But I think it’s moot because I don’t think we’re going to hear an apology, either. I wish I lived in DC so that I could join Lynnette Long’s group. I suspect that the New Agenda is going to be too wimpy for me. 8^)

    December 9, 2008 at 8:13 pm
  • Sis said:

    We have seen public offenders apologize up the whazoo to save their careers. Over and over, years and years of this same tactic. There was no learning, no remorse for what was done. Why didn’t you accept OJS’s apology? Why did he have to get a jail term? Wouldn’t an apology have sufficed, shown thousands of kids how wrong it is to do what he did?

    Do you really think the scenario you are describing hasn’t happened about a million times. Favreau didn’t learn from them then, did he? And no one is learning now. Women have explained over and over why sexism, rape, battery is wrong. We’ve explained with our blood. The Favreau’s don’t get it. They don’t have to because they lose nothing, nothing changes for them.

    I can’t say I’ve ever been in a woman’s shelter, because when I needed one there wasn’t one within thousands of miles. But I’d be damned if I was on the staff of any battered woman’s shelter I’d let you pull this one.

    As far as I’m concerned, the only experts you need to consult are battered women themselves.

    Favreau won’t even see the connection between what he’s done and what happens to women in the shelters.

    And as soon as you start talking about how what you do will benefit you, I’m looking around for the NOW logo.

    December 9, 2008 at 8:17 pm
  • Sis said:

    I inadvertently deleted a sentence. and that was to ask “who are your experts?”

    December 9, 2008 at 8:19 pm
  • Sheryl Robinson said:

    samanthasmom,

    We’re not saying he shouldn’t be fired. We’re saying this is an acceptable alternative to him being fired. If not this alternative, then Obama ought to fire the punk’s ass.

    And if neither of those things happen, I know a huge community of bloggers out there are going to keep bringing the issue up, every time Obama gives a speech. I’ve read them over the last several days and they’re not about to let it go. I don’t think we should let it go. I think rehabilitation is possible, and I prefer it to straight punishment.

    I really wish other women’s groups would weigh in with their thoughts on this.

    December 9, 2008 at 8:20 pm
  • Sis said:

    “We don’t need to hang the boy.”

    My. I just read column inches of that kind of talk somewhere else.

    I think I’m going to be sick.

    December 9, 2008 at 8:31 pm
  • Sis said:

    And I might add, I’m sure glad I didn’t send you any money. Canadian that I am, I do support feminist blogs, even American ones, with donations. There’s not even a tax receipt in it for me, just the satisfaction of knowing I’m supporting efforts on behalf of women.

    December 9, 2008 at 8:32 pm
  • ER said:

    I’m posting this here because I think we need to look at the bigger picture. We all agree that Favreau’s behavior was repulsive and unacceptable, and most of us strongly believe he should be fired.

    I also agree with Sheryl –we can’t let this issue go. The momentum is increasing.

    Here’s why I think the press release will help us in the long run:

    1. In a positive, reasoned way, the press release makes it explicitly clear that Favreau’s behavior is unacceptable and serious.

    2. It requires Favreau to take responsibility for his actions by volunteering in a domestic violence shelter. We could ask periodically what he has learned; we could keep the focus on this issue over time.

    3. It appeals to the morals and values of all of us.

    4. It puts the misogynist boys on notice that this behavior has broader implications (violence against women, human rights), and that we won’t tolerate it.

    5. The press release keeps the pressure on and keeps the issue visible and in the media.

    6. This strategy may, in the long run, help with getting Favreau fired—because we won’t go away, because we stand for values and the respect for all women, and because we continue to articulate these issues and values in creative professional ways, in addition to calling for action (i.e., firing Favreau).

    Think about Freethinkers comments (on another thread):
    “No matter what position each of us may take, it is critical that we stick together as women and support our different, yet collective efforts. Divided, we are conquered.”

    December 9, 2008 at 8:35 pm
  • Sheryl Robinson said:

    Okay. One has. NOW CA: http://www.canow.org/canoworg/.....exist.html

    December 9, 2008 at 8:46 pm
  • samanthasmom said:

    Obama put his fanny in a pew for over 20 years while his minister humped the podium. When a light was shone on this behavior, Obama gave a pretty speech on race, probably written by Favreau, which was supposed to open a dialog on race relations. Is it going on somewhere and I missed it? I can’t support an effort if there isn’t one. I’m looking for the group that’s all fired up and ready to go – not one that backs down. We worked so hard to keep Larry Summers out of the Treasury that we got him appointed to the council of economic advisers, and yet we’re still congratulating ourselves. Better that Obama refuse to fire Favreau, and we use it to show that Obama is a sexist who doesn’t have a clue about women issues than look like we’re willing to settle for crumbs.

    December 9, 2008 at 9:06 pm
  • Sis said:

    Excuse me but the boy is a writer. He can spin any scenario and dialogue he wants, make it sound so smooth you’ll be sobbing. It will have nothing whatever to do with *him* and this idiocy, but be from some personae required for the task of getting this over with.

    December 9, 2008 at 9:08 pm
  • Kevin said:

    Ah, you know the term “punk” can be derogatory within the GLBT community? I hope John doesn’t push the New Agenda off focus.

    The way I see it, Obama has appointed three women whose job description have very little to do with advocating women rights, equal pay or breaking the glass ceiling in corporate America. That’s a serious problem. A women, or a women’s rights advocate, must be named to the posts of Labor, Education and Housing. Women already lost out on all the economic posts.

    December 9, 2008 at 9:10 pm
  • yttik said:

    We need to fire Chris Matthews, Keith Olberman, Randi Rhodes, Larry Summers…….the list just goes on and on. I’m all for it, I’d like to see every one of these people learn that sexism is not acceptable.

    The problem is you can’t fire everybody. It’s kind of like banging your head on a brick wall. It’s almost like setting yourself up for failure, because we demand Favreau be fired and we will probably just be ignored. Has anybody ever heard Obama take a stand against sexism?? However, if you take it out of the realm of asking, if it’s not about waiting for Obama to do the right thing anymore, you have more power. You put the fight for justice in your own hands. Let’s keep this guy’s behavior front and center in the blogosphere, in the media. Let’s use him as a way to open up public dialog on the issue. That needs to happen whether he is fired or not. But let’s not attack each other arguing over how he should be punished. At least the New Agenda is speaking out. I can’t even find another group that will at least acknowledge that what he did was wrong.

    December 9, 2008 at 9:16 pm
  • Anna said:

    I’m with Sis and Samanthasmom on this one.

    I’ve been thinking about TNA’s scenario all day and here’s what I think:

    The ONLY way that having Flaveau make a public apology (which would like be pretty, but very disingenuous words) and volunteer at a women’s center of some sort (and I agree that no women’s center should have to take him in if they choose not to) would have a prayer of having any real impact would be IF he truly transformed (chances = slim-to-none) AND, more importantly, he became a vocal advocate for women’s rights, speaking out against violence against women, etc. Otherwise, it will be a flash-in-the pan moment that might make for a bit of interesting news and then it’ll be over.

    While I am tiring of feeling angry and enraged and feel an enormous need to move forward in a positive way, on this issue I simply cannot move from the perspective that Flaveau must be fired. AND, when Obama fires him, Obama can make a lofty speech about women’s rights and speak out passionately against violence against women. ALL of that should happen: Obama should fire Jon Flaveau and Obama should speak out strongly about the larger issue of violence against women.

    The scenario TNA is imagining, is exactly that: imaginary. There is no assurance this will become a catalyst for a national dialogue, as one blogger quite astutely pointed out: What happened to the national dialogue on race? I believe that lasted all of a week, at best.

    December 9, 2008 at 9:28 pm
  • Anna said:

    yttik – You’re right that the laundry list of people who should be fired is rather long. However, I think the situation with Flaveau is somewhat unique because he’s the main speechwriter for an incoming President. The freaking President. This is a chance for Obama to take a stand, show what he’s made of and start out on the right footing.

    December 9, 2008 at 9:32 pm
  • Anna said:

    Anyone live in the DC area? Lynette’s getting serious:

    http://www.lynettelong.com/

    December 9, 2008 at 9:49 pm
  • Sis said:

    Obama has included mention of women in a speech about people losing their jobs in this economy. Read the NOW California website post on Favreau.

    That’s Obama’s response to the turmoil over his administration’s treatment of women. Include women in a speech.

    December 9, 2008 at 9:52 pm
  • Zee said:

    I still agree with what Sheryl says.

    We’re not going to drop this subject. Please, think long-term.

    This is a good move by the New Agenda. We already know the swine Obama’s not going to comply. It will be his loss.

    December 9, 2008 at 10:40 pm
  • yttik said:

    I agree Anna, “this is a chance for Obama to take a stand, show what he’s made of….”

    However, the last 18 mos have pretty much shown me what he’s made off. He hasn’t even responded to the Favreau photo and I doubt he will.

    We can continue to push to get him fired. But while we’re waiting for Obama to do the right thing (or hell to freeze over) we might as well open a public dialog about how this kind of behavior leads to sexual assault and domestic violence.

    If this dufus were to publically apologize to the women of this country, even if he were to fake it, I would consider it a great victory. At least it would be an acknowledgment that what women think of you, matters. That we are important enough that we are worthy of even a fricken insincere apology. As it stands now, there has been zip, nada, no attempt whatsoever to even address the issue. We aren’t even important enough to warrant a phony speech.

    December 9, 2008 at 10:52 pm
  • Mike J. said:

    Shouldn’t Obama Himself make a statement or two about this? After all, this fellow is quite close to Obama (speechwriters tend to get a lot of face-time with folks for whom they write). Wouldn’t a normal person be utterly appalled their close associate is capable of such immature, juvenile, and frankly both offensive and menacing, behavior?

    My prediction it’s going to be like with Jeremiah Wright. First hope it goes away, if it doesn’t ditch the guy once the heat gets too great. But in this case it will go away, with no statements or apologies from Favreau, Obama, etc.

    December 9, 2008 at 10:58 pm
  • Amy Siskind (author) said:

    We all must work to keep it alive.

    I happened to walk by a tv today that had the show “The View” on and even those women were saying no big deal (esp Whoopie).

    I am hoping that Fox will at least pick it up – Greta.

    Where are the Femisists Journalists? Is there anyone other than Greta and Tina Brown (and of course our co-founder Elaine!)? No Campbell I just found religion does NOT count!

    December 9, 2008 at 11:02 pm
  • Rachel S. (author) said:

    I heard about your organization on CNN.

    I am a lifelong Dem and voted for Obama. I am also appalled at this Favreau picture but not sure what to do. I would like to think that I can find a home in an organization like this – I belong to others but feel let down.

    How about those of us who don’t blame Obama but think Favreau should be made an example of.

    Can I be a feminist here and still be a fan of Obama?

    December 9, 2008 at 11:16 pm
  • Anne-Marie said:

    Rachel S., can you be a fan of Obama, if he doesn’t publicly address this incident, and takes no public action to discipline Favreau?

    You don’t need to give me an answer to that question, I’m just asking that you ask yourself that.
    Of course you can be a feminist here no matter who you are a fan of. Heck I am a fan of Hillary and Sarah Palin, and no one has ousted me yet, although I have offended at least one person.

    We try to avoid talking about partisan politics though, and just focus on improving all women’s lives. There are a lot more issues that all women have in common that need to be addressed, without getting caught up in the issues that divide us.

    December 9, 2008 at 11:46 pm
  • Sis said:

    Some women to consider for your press releases.

    Roni Rabin. I think she’s writing at the NYTimes these days. I don’t know any mainstream feminist reporters. Anyway, reporters pretty much just rearrange press releases now. And I don’t have tv, so I didn’t even know about Greta until you introduced her to me.

    Canada’s Margaret Atwood and writers of feminist works of equivalent stature in the U.S. You might find TNA getting a mention in the preamble to a reading of someone’s new book. Writers like to fit something topical into their lead up. Give them a story. Three paragraphs.

    Sarah Palin. Have you included her in your media release list? She’s got aides who are looking for items to keep her topical.

    Those women governors I’ve heard mentioned whom some here supported?

    December 10, 2008 at 1:06 am
  • Sheryl Robinson said:

    Former Whitehouse press secretary Dee Dee Myers weighs in:
    Favreau’s Sexist Photo No Laughing Matter

    Clearly, the story is still escalating. It’s not going away. Good. We need to keep the pressure on. If there is no genuine demonstration of contrition (forget the pretty speech for all the reasons already stated), what should be our next move?

    December 10, 2008 at 3:35 am
  • goesh said:

    - the sound of splintering, heard already. Maybe it was inevitable. This reminds me of an elitist, WASP feel good parlor game, sending him to a DV program so he can mend his errant ways. I thought the word “feminism” was being redefined? I can hear the patriarchal guffaws over this ‘fix’, trust me, alot of men will be laughing at you. This is as unbelievable as Falveau’s actions. What exactly are the DV victims supposed to say to him? What exactly is he supposed to do – read case files and the graphic details of women who have been brutally, sexually subjugated? My! wouldn’t he like that, eh? Oh, be sure to have a monitor with him so he keeps his hands off his crotch. And wouldn’t the women victims feel so uplifted having a groping man in their midst. I too wonder what so-called experts have given this advice and has anyone thought to actually consult with victims to see if they would want a groper hanging around with them? If you had to flee to a shelter, would you want a groping man coming into your sanctuary? I know! He could babysit the victim’s children while they tend to other tasks! I can’t say I’m sorry for the heavy sarcasm in my post.

    December 10, 2008 at 10:37 am
  • Lisa said:

    I agree with Anna and Samanthasmom that making him apologize won’t help. We talked a few weeks ago about education programs that The New Agenda could do themselves- such as school programs (which are essential), and TV and ad programs like “The More You Know” series or ” thetruth.org” tobacco ads.

    Jon Favreau isn’t going to change anyone’s mind. And he certainly isn’t going to “see the light” by spending time making abused women feel uncomfortable in his presence. Fine… get him to write a speech and THEN fire him!

    The only thing that will make this stop IMO is fear of the consequences. The information about sexism has been out there forever. If these guys don’t get it- it isn’t because they haven’t heard it before. They will quit doing this stuff when they know that they will be fired for it.

    December 10, 2008 at 10:40 am
  • Amy Siskind (author) said:

    Goesh,

    There are many ways of volunteering for a shelter with or without being exposed to victims.

    I volunteer at our local organization and the amount of interaction with victims is extremely minimal.

    Domestic violence is a national crisis and a national shame. It is also a crisis that few know about. The stats are astounding.

    What we can hope for is to raise the public awareness of the grave issue. We can “use” Favreau to further this important goal of this organization: to reduce domestic violence.

    This is for the good of the country. Damn – I’m afraid to send my daughter to college when 32% of college women are sexually assaulted. Women and like-minded men should all be outraged about this issue. It is bigger than this punk!

    December 10, 2008 at 10:42 am
  • Amy Siskind (author) said:

    Lisa,

    This is not about what this punk thinks after apologizing or being fired.

    This is about raising public awareness and starting a national dialogue on this important issue so we can work towards change.

    December 10, 2008 at 10:44 am
  • Lisa said:

    Amy, I think it is a great idea to make him give a speech.

    I agree, it isn’t about what he thinks, so why have him go work in a shelter to re-educate him? I don’t think you will be able to change how he thinks, or how the James Carville’s of the country think either.

    Therefore, punishment.

    Educating the public is crucial- I just don’t see the logic in using this incident as your major catalyst.

    December 10, 2008 at 10:53 am
  • Amy Siskind (author) said:

    Lisa,

    Because it is there. I’m sure we will find other incidents in the months and years to come; but for now, the Favreau incident gives us an opening.

    We certainly could use help. We are the only organization in this country speaking out (although there are many wonderful blogs that are as well). But it would helpful if we could all think of other organizations to join TNA in this battle.

    December 10, 2008 at 11:00 am
  • Lisa said:

    Look… obviously I’m not going to agree with the way every little thing is handled, none of us are.

    I want him fired. You’ve heard that. But you are actually making a stink about it and you are right- that is more than anyone else is doing.

    While I have your ear though- will there be donation and money making opportunities set up so that we can all help New Agenda gather funds for educating the public? And the 17% buttons? Will we all be able to order those?

    December 10, 2008 at 11:05 am
  • Amy Siskind (author) said:

    Yes Lisa. Sorry for the delay. We are inundated right now. We do have those projects underway – 1) we are finishing off the paperwork to become incorporated while we get our 501c3 and 501c4 set up; 2) we are eventually going to have a tab on our website with flyers and the 17% buttons. Poor Violet has also been inundated with Cabinet Watch and other web design so we haven’t been able to put that tab up yet. There is so much going on behind the scenes – it is daunting. We are doing our best to keep up.

    December 10, 2008 at 11:09 am
  • Lisa said:

    Great.

    You all have a lot of talented women here itching to be of use. Don’t be afraid to ask

    December 10, 2008 at 11:12 am
  • Cynthia GA said:

    I’ll go a step farther than him being fired. I think Hillary ought to get to punch this guy in the nose on national TV! That would really make me feel good!! But back to reality… that isn’t going to happen. I think about this like the boy who cried wolf. If we scream “off with his head” over every single issue we will be tuned out. I know how angry everyone is, but please just think about this. It isn’t about us backing down or what is best for TNA or what makes us feel good for a moment. It is about a long-term fight to change not just the way women are treated in this country, but the hearts and minds of everyone in it. Some people will be lost causes, and some will have that lightbulb moment like we did and join us. We can’t be so extreme in our responses that we alienate everyone who could be one of us in the long term. We win when the people who think about and treat women like equals outnumber the ones who would oppress us. This isn’t about Favreau. This isn’t about TNA. It is about every woman in this country, and eventually the world! I know it is hard not to make this personal especially for those of us who have experience sexual assault or abuse. But I truly believe that if we do that, if we do what makes us feel better for a moment, we lose in the long term.

    December 10, 2008 at 11:41 am
  • Anna said:

    Sheryl

    Thanks for posting thte Dee Dee Myers piece. I think the link should be easy to find and prominently featured. Given that NO ONE of any national stature except Ms. Myers, as far as I can tell, has spoken out clearly and strongly as she has, let’s feature her piece. It’s right on target and provides a bit of added inspiration.

    goesh

    Sarcasm appreciated!

    December 10, 2008 at 2:41 pm
  • Sis said:

    Cyn with all due respect: men don’t get the light bulb moments.

    Only people who are affected by sexism will get it. They will comply if being seen not doing so hurts their careers, or they comply so they can have sex with the cool (read porn pos) girls, or they will comply to a limited degree if it’s *their* daughter, *their* wife. But it’s always because of what’s in it for them.

    If there was any chance of this guy or his cadre ‘getting it’ it would have happened pre-Palin when they were ripping Clinton the first go round. Even just going back one year, it’s been one sexist act after another for Clinton, Palin, and now Clinton again.

    It was Jon and his friends who did that.

    This is just one more of a long, long list, that Democrat women (like you?) set aside because you were thinking of the greater good.

    And here we are, again.. Jon didn’t learn have to learn anything then, which emboldened him to behave as he does now, which assures Obama he’s right to ignore you.

    December 10, 2008 at 5:35 pm
  • Jeremy said:

    Isn’t it embarrassing to see this sort of behavior coming from a man who will soon be in the White House? Of course.

    However, to me it’s even more insulting that this sort of lewd, derogatory behavior can be called “an example of just good-natured fun between former rival camps.”

    I get that quote from this source: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI.....n.clinton/

    Is this really how we view fun today? This is offensive on many levels, not just for women, but for all Americans.

    Part of being a public servant means that you maintain a decor that honors the positions you serve in. As a writer, I can say without a doubt that this man, who graduated valedictorian in his class by the way, has no excuse for this kind of behavior.

    You can’t simply blame it on his friends, doesn’t the company you keep reflect your own values and motivations?

    I find all of the demands posted here to be fully reasonable ones. It’s appalling to think that this sort of stupidity could go unpunished.

    It feels a little wrong to me to make so many conclusions based on a photograph, but I feel that, if the Jon had any sense of professional decor then he wouldn’t have put himself in a situation like this.

    But…maybe I’m just being unrealistic here. I like to think that I’m being idealistic. I don’t think it’s right for men to act this way, even though I can understand the pressures to do so. I’ve been in and out of a fraternity, and it was this sort of behavior that finally forced me to leave. If I made that kind of choice to avoid this disgraceful behavior, why couldn’t this man do the same?

    I’ve come to almost expect such behavior from people…it’s sad, but it’s true. However, that doesn’t mean that I have to accept it when politicians do it. I refuse to accept the idea that politicians cannot be held accountable for their private escapades. I understand why Mrs. Clinton tried to downplay the issue, but that doesn’t change the facts.

    The moment you become a public servant, you become something that embodied more than your own ideals. You become a servant of the people. If this is the kind of behavior we have to expect from him, then I agree that he should be fired.
    Even if he is talented at what he does, talent does not erase disgrace. Even a sincere public apology can only douse so many of the flames of embarrassment, especially in this sort of situation.

    December 10, 2008 at 5:38 pm
  • Lisa said:

    Also I am not hearing anyone mention that saving his career (the young punk) is hurting Hillary’s. Imagine if you will Bush’s speechwriter and inside staff “having some harmless fun” with a cutout of Condi Rice. This sends the message to the WHOLE WORLD that the admninistration doesn’t respect or even LIKE their own SOS.

    So then Hillary is out there dealing with these leaders that have doubts in their minds about how much power she really has in this administration that disrespects her. Doesn’t leave her with much of a support system.

    December 10, 2008 at 6:45 pm
  • Sis said:

    You know, I’ve yet to see the talent. I think everyone’s just quoting everyone else. I doubt most of the people spouting off on his talent have ever written a speech, or read what he’s written, or read speeches written by others, or compared them.

    I suspect he’s there because of his daddy’s money backing Hussein, and the fact that he’s a porn dog, just like Obama “99 problems but a bitch ain’t one”.

    And I suspect daddy’s money bought the valedictorian laurels too.

    December 10, 2008 at 8:27 pm
  • Kiuku said:

    Fire him.

    December 10, 2008 at 8:44 pm
  • Jeremy said:

    I’ve read a few of his speeches and compared them to ones I’ve encountered in my public speaking classes.

    Considering that he’s only 27, he has talent. It’s very polished, especially compared to other work from young writers. I’m by no means an expert on the subject, but it looked impressive to me, at least o modern day readers. I’m still of the opinion that speechwriters today cannot hold a candle to those that came before them, back during the days when people would stand around for hours listening to a speech.

    Barack Obama is said to trust him, but I don’t know how much that says about him.

    I think he went to the College of the Holy Cross, but I could be wrong. I don’t know much about the college, or much about much influence his parents had on his education.

    If you know anything, please speak up. If he does have talent, then this is even worse. If not, then that says a lot about Barack Obama. He trusts the man with his rhetoric. To a politician, that means a lot.

    And I agree that this is bad for Hillary, especially since she barely even reacted at all. Calling it “harmless fun” is even worse, in my opinion.

    But yes…there is a sad truth about the double standards employed by our politicians. I don’t claim to know too much about it, but I can see it as well as I can on the news and in the policies employed by these political cutthroats. It’s pretty obvious, and it’s also obvious that they get away with it all too often.

    December 10, 2008 at 8:58 pm
  • Thia, GA said:

    Sis,

    I hope you don’t really believe that “men don’t get the light bulb moments.” I think anyone can have a light bulb moment about anything. Whether this frat boy will or not I can’t even guess. But I think you are right that men will only be able to understand by empathizing with women in their lives. But so what? If they want to join me to fight sexism and misogyny I will welcome them with open arms. Excluding them because they can only understand in a limited way is like saying you can’t help gays fight for gay rights unless you are gay, or you can’t fight for animal rights unless you are an animal. While it’s true that I will never understand what a black person who has been discriminated against at work would feel, I can compare that in my mind to my experience of being the only woman in an all male workplace and empathize. All women who have experienced sexism don’t even have the same feelings, so if there are any men who through whatever personal relationships or personal experiences at least understand that sexism IS WRONG, I don’t need them to feel what I feel. I need them to join us and do what they can to help.

    How is this for a lightbulb moment… I am a lifelong Republican who crossed over to vehemently defend Hillary Clinton long before Sarah Palin even came on the scene. I sat silent among my family and friends for years while horrible things were said about her, not as a politician, but as a woman. I had a “lightbulb moment” during the primaries and realized that I am a woman before I am a Republican, and whether I agree with Hillary on policy issues or not is irrelevent. The way she was treated by EVERYONE was sexist and disgusting. And I also remember sitting and sobbing with pride when Liberal and Democratic women took up for Sarah Palin. Lightbulbs are everywhere Sis, please don’t be too jaded to see them. :)

    December 10, 2008 at 10:19 pm
  • Sis said:

    Men don’t get feminist ‘clicks’. They are epiphanies that only women get, because only women are subject to misogyny.

    Men can empathize.

    Nowhere did I say exclude them for working on women’s rights. Over there. Not in women’s orgs. Get their own org. Go see Stan Goff. To quote mAndrea from another blog, we white people don’t get to join the Black Panthers either.

    Congratulatons on your lightbulb moment recognizing you’re a woman. A lot of so-called feminists haven’t hit it yet.

    December 10, 2008 at 10:46 pm
  • Sis said:

    Even I can’t get Indian status, I’m only half-breed. So to fight for Indian rights I have to do it from my perspective as a Metis, who also gets white rights. I can fight for the Loubacon from my perspective but I don’t get to be a band member just because I empathize.

    December 10, 2008 at 10:48 pm

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