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		<title>By: Anna Belle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too, Anne-Marie! It seems like a bunch of us with no authority and no access want to, but the ladies in place to do it now because they have that authority and access don&#039;t want to. I&#039;m so frustrated by that. I wish I knew what to do. I don&#039;t blame anyone else for not stepping up, as I said it&#039;s hard, but with so many willing but no way...I just wish I knew what to do with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too, Anne-Marie! It seems like a bunch of us with no authority and no access want to, but the ladies in place to do it now because they have that authority and access don&#8217;t want to. I&#8217;m so frustrated by that. I wish I knew what to do. I don&#8217;t blame anyone else for not stepping up, as I said it&#8217;s hard, but with so many willing but no way&#8230;I just wish I knew what to do with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t blame Hillary.  She is who she is.  I will say that I now know who she is.  She is a party player, more interested in group membership than in fighting for principles.  Just as any other politician, she HAS NO principles of her own, other than power.  Therefore, she is who she is, and I am who I am.  And who I am can&#039;t support who she is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t blame Hillary.  She is who she is.  I will say that I now know who she is.  She is a party player, more interested in group membership than in fighting for principles.  Just as any other politician, she HAS NO principles of her own, other than power.  Therefore, she is who she is, and I am who I am.  And who I am can&#8217;t support who she is.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne-Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne-Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna Belle, I am ready to get out from behind the keyboard! I really am.   I expect we&#039;ll be taking action soon.  I think the founders of TNA are working on organizing us all over the country. I volunteered to be a Team Captain.  

As for figureheads, I think one will emerge...it will be someone or some people who do the work we&#039;re trying to do passionately, consistently and successfully.  I don&#039;t think we can pick one now.

One of the reasons I am here today, part of this group, and wanting to be an agent for change is because I was so saddened by the hate, vitriol and anger directed at Hillary and Sarah.  So I hope that whatever we do at the New Agenda we will do always keeping in mind that we need to model the behavior we want to see: tolerance, respect, peace, kindness, encouragement.  Do you all think that will work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna Belle, I am ready to get out from behind the keyboard! I really am.   I expect we&#8217;ll be taking action soon.  I think the founders of TNA are working on organizing us all over the country. I volunteered to be a Team Captain.  </p>
<p>As for figureheads, I think one will emerge&#8230;it will be someone or some people who do the work we&#8217;re trying to do passionately, consistently and successfully.  I don&#8217;t think we can pick one now.</p>
<p>One of the reasons I am here today, part of this group, and wanting to be an agent for change is because I was so saddened by the hate, vitriol and anger directed at Hillary and Sarah.  So I hope that whatever we do at the New Agenda we will do always keeping in mind that we need to model the behavior we want to see: tolerance, respect, peace, kindness, encouragement.  Do you all think that will work?</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Belle</title>
		<link>http://www.thenewagenda.net/2008/11/20/let-us-not-blame-hillary/comment-page-1/#comment-3333</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Anne-Marie, I agree about the positive focus. No movement in recent history has gotten momentum or achieved progress by vilifying the people who allowed the system, the common people, rather they achieved all they did by focusing on the people actually in power. And they also pointed to themselves as examples, and tried to get a lot of people in their group to model in the same way. This is what non-violent protest and all those parades of well-dressed people are all about. Even the suffragettes did it with their white dresses and such. 

So I like the idea of a positive frame. The way I see, someone is going to have the take the risk of getting off the couch and out from behind the keyboard. Everyone is afraid to do it alone. Look what happened to Hillary and Sarah--it takes a lot of courage to take that risk. There are things that could be done right now. NYC is filled with disaffected Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin supporters, and most of the televised media is located right there. MSNBC is, for instance, I believe. Why aren&#039;t women coming together from across the spectrum to spend a few hours outside their offices? They might Have to stand there every night for a few weeks during the two hours Tweety and Olbermann are on, but they couldn&#039;t be ignored forever. I live in Indiana or I&#039;d already be there starting that. 

Likewise a group of committed people could be standing outside of Obama&#039;s house in Chicago, or his HQs there. They could be quietly holding up signs and asking questions about women in the Obama administration. A couple of weeks of this would be enough to make some kind of progress. He couldn&#039;t suffer that forever, and the media would eventually pick it up. I live five hours away, and I&#039;d be willing to commit any Wednesday or Friday there if others were to join me. 

I wonder if there is a religious leader that we can talk into joining us? Someone prominent within one of the more liberal faiths, such as UCC? While I&#039;m not religious in the least and hold no beliefs on the supernatural, I do understand that these other leaders instilled a faith component in their movements that helped shield them somewhat from criticism and gave those movements a sort of cultural respectability. It is past time for women to be speaking out from the pulpit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Anne-Marie, I agree about the positive focus. No movement in recent history has gotten momentum or achieved progress by vilifying the people who allowed the system, the common people, rather they achieved all they did by focusing on the people actually in power. And they also pointed to themselves as examples, and tried to get a lot of people in their group to model in the same way. This is what non-violent protest and all those parades of well-dressed people are all about. Even the suffragettes did it with their white dresses and such. </p>
<p>So I like the idea of a positive frame. The way I see, someone is going to have the take the risk of getting off the couch and out from behind the keyboard. Everyone is afraid to do it alone. Look what happened to Hillary and Sarah&#8211;it takes a lot of courage to take that risk. There are things that could be done right now. NYC is filled with disaffected Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin supporters, and most of the televised media is located right there. MSNBC is, for instance, I believe. Why aren&#8217;t women coming together from across the spectrum to spend a few hours outside their offices? They might Have to stand there every night for a few weeks during the two hours Tweety and Olbermann are on, but they couldn&#8217;t be ignored forever. I live in Indiana or I&#8217;d already be there starting that. </p>
<p>Likewise a group of committed people could be standing outside of Obama&#8217;s house in Chicago, or his HQs there. They could be quietly holding up signs and asking questions about women in the Obama administration. A couple of weeks of this would be enough to make some kind of progress. He couldn&#8217;t suffer that forever, and the media would eventually pick it up. I live five hours away, and I&#8217;d be willing to commit any Wednesday or Friday there if others were to join me. </p>
<p>I wonder if there is a religious leader that we can talk into joining us? Someone prominent within one of the more liberal faiths, such as UCC? While I&#8217;m not religious in the least and hold no beliefs on the supernatural, I do understand that these other leaders instilled a faith component in their movements that helped shield them somewhat from criticism and gave those movements a sort of cultural respectability. It is past time for women to be speaking out from the pulpit.</p>
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		<title>By: bluelady</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluelady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you nailed it Anne-Marie when you said of Ghandi and Rosa Parks:&quot; showed courage in the face of adversity.&quot; How that person got to be a figurehead is probably a combination of fate and an I&#039;m-not-going-to-take-it-any-more mindset and the actions they decided to do.

For the women&#039;s movement, there&#039;s the women who lead by example of their accomplishments, like Clinton and Palin- and who I&#039;d like to see but haven&#039;t found yet- the woman who stands up to the media and culture bias and is the face of that resistance.

(Without pushback to the media bias, the accomplished women politicians get trashed. )

A group could easily be the figurehead for that resistance, and maybe it&#039;s the people in New Agenda who will fulfill that role.

I still hope for an already famous person to lend their face to the movement- or maybe that woman is even now hiding in obscurity and fate will propel her to the fore.

Someone who &quot;calls&quot; the media on their bias and leads the resistance by example- that&#039;s what would inspire me.
Of course, that&#039;s just my 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you nailed it Anne-Marie when you said of Ghandi and Rosa Parks:&#8221; showed courage in the face of adversity.&#8221; How that person got to be a figurehead is probably a combination of fate and an I&#8217;m-not-going-to-take-it-any-more mindset and the actions they decided to do.</p>
<p>For the women&#8217;s movement, there&#8217;s the women who lead by example of their accomplishments, like Clinton and Palin- and who I&#8217;d like to see but haven&#8217;t found yet- the woman who stands up to the media and culture bias and is the face of that resistance.</p>
<p>(Without pushback to the media bias, the accomplished women politicians get trashed. )</p>
<p>A group could easily be the figurehead for that resistance, and maybe it&#8217;s the people in New Agenda who will fulfill that role.</p>
<p>I still hope for an already famous person to lend their face to the movement- or maybe that woman is even now hiding in obscurity and fate will propel her to the fore.</p>
<p>Someone who &#8220;calls&#8221; the media on their bias and leads the resistance by example- that&#8217;s what would inspire me.<br />
Of course, that&#8217;s just my 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne-Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne-Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna Belle and Cynthia,   I would like to hear bluelady say what she envisions a figurehead to be doing, since she brought this up.  Ghandi and Parks showed courage in the face of adversity.

I think the least a figurehead group ought to do is speak the truth and ask difficult questions: Ask the public, the media, politicians, why not 50% representation, NOW? What are we waiting for?   Why is not Obama choosing 50% women for his cabinet?  Should political leaders ignore hateful speech and actions towards their opponent if it helps them? Is there not an ultimate responsibility to promote dignity and good sportsmanship in politics, which is more important than winning? 

I think a figurehead group can inspire by taking positive actions that are sincere and show love towards women and all people.  They would always connect the dots for people of how equality and fair treatment of women make society as a whole better, using science, and examples from real life, from history and from other countries.

I work for a city agency that sent a broadcast email message asking people to submit artwork for an exhibit for Black History Month.  I wrote to the organizer, expressed my enthusiasm for this exhibit and asked whether such an exhibit is planned for Women&#039;s History month.   She wrote back: &quot;As a matter of fact, we used to have a Women&#039;s History Month exhibit immediately after the BHM
Show, but it got too hard to handle logistically, so we stopped doing Women&#039;s History.&quot;  Ouch.  That hurt.  It was too hard, so we stopped.  In other words, we didn&#039;t think it was worth the effort.

I wrote back offering my services with logistics if they will reconsider, and recommended that they have a Women&#039;s Art Show at a less busy time of year...

So perhaps a figurehead group can address such slights publicly. When a women&#039;s history art show is dropped, when a girls sports team funding cut in favor of a boys&#039; team, when a financial or educational institution continues to deny advancement opportunities to female employees, all such things can be called out publicly by our group.  Or when females are promoted or valued, our group can draw attention to that, and reward the organization or company doing it with good publicity.  Along the same line, we can have a monthly recitation or public recognition, an honor roll, where we publicly acknowledge women from all walks of life who have made a positive difference, or women who have attained a significant advancement in their arena.

Maybe we can make ourselves available as a group for news interviews.  We can book speeches at colleges, high schools, girl scout groups, women&#039;s groups,  and tell our story and our purpose. And always with a focus on the positive.  

I personally would want to ask people to treat themselves and their enemies with dignity, respect, and tolerance.  I would give examples of how hate speech and dehumanization of people has led to atrocious acts throughout history.  I would ask people to accept each other&#039;s differences and strive to see the common ground. 

How about you, what would inspire you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna Belle and Cynthia,   I would like to hear bluelady say what she envisions a figurehead to be doing, since she brought this up.  Ghandi and Parks showed courage in the face of adversity.</p>
<p>I think the least a figurehead group ought to do is speak the truth and ask difficult questions: Ask the public, the media, politicians, why not 50% representation, NOW? What are we waiting for?   Why is not Obama choosing 50% women for his cabinet?  Should political leaders ignore hateful speech and actions towards their opponent if it helps them? Is there not an ultimate responsibility to promote dignity and good sportsmanship in politics, which is more important than winning? </p>
<p>I think a figurehead group can inspire by taking positive actions that are sincere and show love towards women and all people.  They would always connect the dots for people of how equality and fair treatment of women make society as a whole better, using science, and examples from real life, from history and from other countries.</p>
<p>I work for a city agency that sent a broadcast email message asking people to submit artwork for an exhibit for Black History Month.  I wrote to the organizer, expressed my enthusiasm for this exhibit and asked whether such an exhibit is planned for Women&#8217;s History month.   She wrote back: &#8220;As a matter of fact, we used to have a Women&#8217;s History Month exhibit immediately after the BHM<br />
Show, but it got too hard to handle logistically, so we stopped doing Women&#8217;s History.&#8221;  Ouch.  That hurt.  It was too hard, so we stopped.  In other words, we didn&#8217;t think it was worth the effort.</p>
<p>I wrote back offering my services with logistics if they will reconsider, and recommended that they have a Women&#8217;s Art Show at a less busy time of year&#8230;</p>
<p>So perhaps a figurehead group can address such slights publicly. When a women&#8217;s history art show is dropped, when a girls sports team funding cut in favor of a boys&#8217; team, when a financial or educational institution continues to deny advancement opportunities to female employees, all such things can be called out publicly by our group.  Or when females are promoted or valued, our group can draw attention to that, and reward the organization or company doing it with good publicity.  Along the same line, we can have a monthly recitation or public recognition, an honor roll, where we publicly acknowledge women from all walks of life who have made a positive difference, or women who have attained a significant advancement in their arena.</p>
<p>Maybe we can make ourselves available as a group for news interviews.  We can book speeches at colleges, high schools, girl scout groups, women&#8217;s groups,  and tell our story and our purpose. And always with a focus on the positive.  </p>
<p>I personally would want to ask people to treat themselves and their enemies with dignity, respect, and tolerance.  I would give examples of how hate speech and dehumanization of people has led to atrocious acts throughout history.  I would ask people to accept each other&#8217;s differences and strive to see the common ground. </p>
<p>How about you, what would inspire you?</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Belle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d join your effort Anne-Marie. But how do we do it? How do we get in the limelight? The best idea I have is a modern Silent Sentinels movement, but I can&#039;t afford to take off and directly petition the white house like that. Plus, we need a focues list of demands for that. There&#039;s got to be something more practical...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d join your effort Anne-Marie. But how do we do it? How do we get in the limelight? The best idea I have is a modern Silent Sentinels movement, but I can&#8217;t afford to take off and directly petition the white house like that. Plus, we need a focues list of demands for that. There&#8217;s got to be something more practical&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne-Marie,

I like that idea a lot.  We would have a difficult time picking one figurehead but a group of truly diverse women would be a great tone to set.</description>
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<p>I like that idea a lot.  We would have a difficult time picking one figurehead but a group of truly diverse women would be a great tone to set.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne-Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne-Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay...you convinced me. I&#039;ll do it!  I&quot;m used to abuse already! ;-) 

It would be easier if we can do a group of figureheads.  Any other volunteers? Common, everyday women figureheads from a variety of backgrounds would be inspiring.  You&#039;d just have to be willing to go public, consistently, long term. 

I&#039;m half serious about volunteering myself, mostly because I feel like, who the heck am I to be a figurehead, but I totally like the idea of a group of regular women being the face and voice of this group. 
Young, old, different shades, different upbringings, parties, different in so many ways, yet united with one purpose...respect and support of female advancement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay&#8230;you convinced me. I&#8217;ll do it!  I&#8221;m used to abuse already! <img src='http://www.thenewagenda.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>It would be easier if we can do a group of figureheads.  Any other volunteers? Common, everyday women figureheads from a variety of backgrounds would be inspiring.  You&#8217;d just have to be willing to go public, consistently, long term. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m half serious about volunteering myself, mostly because I feel like, who the heck am I to be a figurehead, but I totally like the idea of a group of regular women being the face and voice of this group.<br />
Young, old, different shades, different upbringings, parties, different in so many ways, yet united with one purpose&#8230;respect and support of female advancement.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m starting to feel like we need to move beyond Hillary. What we&#039;re trying to take on is huge, it&#039;s systemic and long-standing. At this point, I feel like the sooner we can expand our vision to the countless other great women out there, in government and other places of leadership, the better. Hillary is certainly right up there and clearly we cherish her in many ways. But, it&#039;s time to move on and move forward beyond Clinton. Let&#039;s look at the Marion Edelman&#039;s of the world, or our great writers, outstanding teachers, doctors, the young women who win science competitions....it goes on and on, as we work to expand it ever further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m starting to feel like we need to move beyond Hillary. What we&#8217;re trying to take on is huge, it&#8217;s systemic and long-standing. At this point, I feel like the sooner we can expand our vision to the countless other great women out there, in government and other places of leadership, the better. Hillary is certainly right up there and clearly we cherish her in many ways. But, it&#8217;s time to move on and move forward beyond Clinton. Let&#8217;s look at the Marion Edelman&#8217;s of the world, or our great writers, outstanding teachers, doctors, the young women who win science competitions&#8230;.it goes on and on, as we work to expand it ever further.</p>
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