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		<title>By: Reintroducing THE NEW AGENDA : The New Agenda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reintroducing THE NEW AGENDA : The New Agenda</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Alice Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Young female McCain Volunteer branded with B and Brutalized

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/

&quot;This is breaking news and very disturbing.

A 20 year old volunteer for the McCain-Palin campaign was mugged after using an ATM.  The mugger took $60 from the volunteer who was from Texas and had gone to PA to help with phone banks.  After the mugging, the man that robbed this young woman noticed a McCain bumper sticker on her car.   He then marked her with a B on her face, yelled obscenities and anti-McCain rhetoric at her, and assaulted her.

Here at the Confluence, River Daughter and many other writers have been warning of the violence the Obama campaign and its supporters have basically advocated by not decrying violent images of Hillary, Sarah, and their women supporters.  This is vile and is exactly what misogyny produces. 

I hope that this young woman recovers and that Senator Obama will take time out from his campaign to finally call the dogs off women for simply voicing their support for some one other than him.  I also hope that the press finally stops reporting on ‘fake’ threats towards Obama when there are real women whose lives are put on the line by the sexism Obama supporters have incited, encouraged, and displayed.  The media should also admit its culpability in this attack.&quot;

There&#039;s a link to the story above with a picture of the young girl.

This hatred has been stoked by the media and the Obama campaign for months now. I don&#039;t know how many pieces my heart can break into in sixteen short months but, I&#039;m finding out.</description>
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<p>&#8220;This is breaking news and very disturbing.</p>
<p>A 20 year old volunteer for the McCain-Palin campaign was mugged after using an ATM.  The mugger took $60 from the volunteer who was from Texas and had gone to PA to help with phone banks.  After the mugging, the man that robbed this young woman noticed a McCain bumper sticker on her car.   He then marked her with a B on her face, yelled obscenities and anti-McCain rhetoric at her, and assaulted her.</p>
<p>Here at the Confluence, River Daughter and many other writers have been warning of the violence the Obama campaign and its supporters have basically advocated by not decrying violent images of Hillary, Sarah, and their women supporters.  This is vile and is exactly what misogyny produces. </p>
<p>I hope that this young woman recovers and that Senator Obama will take time out from his campaign to finally call the dogs off women for simply voicing their support for some one other than him.  I also hope that the press finally stops reporting on ‘fake’ threats towards Obama when there are real women whose lives are put on the line by the sexism Obama supporters have incited, encouraged, and displayed.  The media should also admit its culpability in this attack.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a link to the story above with a picture of the young girl.</p>
<p>This hatred has been stoked by the media and the Obama campaign for months now. I don&#8217;t know how many pieces my heart can break into in sixteen short months but, I&#8217;m finding out.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah Palin may not stand and speak on issues feminists have fought for in some ways but, Senator Obama has taken actions that are in direct opposition to our rights too. Not standing against that blood bath of misogyny against Hillary. CHEATING her out of the nomination. Diminishing her accomplishments by repeatedly saying over and over that she was only running as a former &quot;first lady&quot; and that was her lions share of &quot;experience.&quot; He diminished her record to puff up his lack of one on issues important to US.

Had he not cheated, Hillary would be the nominee right now so in a sense he has cheated us out of OUR rightful historical moment so he can be president at the age of 47 on that resume. Another young male with less experience cheating a woman on such a high level and THATS not up for attack from feminists in the press??? Why are we not outraged in the press regarding the cheating in those caucus states, the sham roll call vote, the shouting Hillary out of the race and the actions of the D.N.C. against her while Obama gamed the system and ramped up hatred of women and lied about Hillary Clinton to win.

Palin is being held to ten times the standard Obama is yet again. EVEN women in the press think this is fine. Go after him with the same vigor you go after her for the SAME reasons.

The truth is we have no reason to believe Obama will do a damned thing for women given what he&#039;s done TO US in the primaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah Palin may not stand and speak on issues feminists have fought for in some ways but, Senator Obama has taken actions that are in direct opposition to our rights too. Not standing against that blood bath of misogyny against Hillary. CHEATING her out of the nomination. Diminishing her accomplishments by repeatedly saying over and over that she was only running as a former &#8220;first lady&#8221; and that was her lions share of &#8220;experience.&#8221; He diminished her record to puff up his lack of one on issues important to US.</p>
<p>Had he not cheated, Hillary would be the nominee right now so in a sense he has cheated us out of OUR rightful historical moment so he can be president at the age of 47 on that resume. Another young male with less experience cheating a woman on such a high level and THATS not up for attack from feminists in the press??? Why are we not outraged in the press regarding the cheating in those caucus states, the sham roll call vote, the shouting Hillary out of the race and the actions of the D.N.C. against her while Obama gamed the system and ramped up hatred of women and lied about Hillary Clinton to win.</p>
<p>Palin is being held to ten times the standard Obama is yet again. EVEN women in the press think this is fine. Go after him with the same vigor you go after her for the SAME reasons.</p>
<p>The truth is we have no reason to believe Obama will do a damned thing for women given what he&#8217;s done TO US in the primaries.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God knows if Hillary had gone over and campaigned for such a person and then still was talking to them in the primaries she would have been racked over the coals for years thereafter. 

These people are so beneath contempt in their quest to install his majesty. All they care about is $$$$ and taking credit historically as a cherry on top but, it&#039;s a false credit!!

This business of Obama campaigning for a man who was going to let sharia law become part of his rule is something women ought to be up in arms about. The damage that does is far above whether we ought to worry about Roe v. Wade right now. This man not going to protect ANY of our rights if he hasn&#039;t come out by now and strongly denounced Odinga.

Pander, pander, pander and the masses are sucking it all up like xanex replacing reason and critical thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God knows if Hillary had gone over and campaigned for such a person and then still was talking to them in the primaries she would have been racked over the coals for years thereafter. </p>
<p>These people are so beneath contempt in their quest to install his majesty. All they care about is $$$$ and taking credit historically as a cherry on top but, it&#8217;s a false credit!!</p>
<p>This business of Obama campaigning for a man who was going to let sharia law become part of his rule is something women ought to be up in arms about. The damage that does is far above whether we ought to worry about Roe v. Wade right now. This man not going to protect ANY of our rights if he hasn&#8217;t come out by now and strongly denounced Odinga.</p>
<p>Pander, pander, pander and the masses are sucking it all up like xanex replacing reason and critical thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Zee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The media were part and parcel of hijacking the primary, Alice Paul.

They were falsely reporting that Hillary had &quot;conceded&quot; while people were still voting...not to mention the nonstop drumbeat for her to accept the &quot;inevitable&quot; and step aside, for the entire political season.

The time to report on Odinga would&#039;ve been early this year, when his supporters were burning people alive and displacing entire towns by rioting.  

Why has Obama not been questioned on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media were part and parcel of hijacking the primary, Alice Paul.</p>
<p>They were falsely reporting that Hillary had &#8220;conceded&#8221; while people were still voting&#8230;not to mention the nonstop drumbeat for her to accept the &#8220;inevitable&#8221; and step aside, for the entire political season.</p>
<p>The time to report on Odinga would&#8217;ve been early this year, when his supporters were burning people alive and displacing entire towns by rioting.  </p>
<p>Why has Obama not been questioned on this?</p>
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		<title>By: Alice Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then can we talk about Obama campaigning for Odinga in Kenya yet? Or are we too busy Palin bashing? You know Odinga, who did INDEED sign an agreement with certain factions in Kenya to institute sharia law should he win the election.

Either Obama did not know and he&#039;s far too gullible to be POTUS or he did know and he&#039;s too misogynistic *which I believe he is anyway* to be POTUS.

Why are we focused so narrowly in the media on one issue and one candidate? Why does Obama get every pass on every thing INCLUDING cheating in every caucus state and the Indiana primary to STEAL the nomination from a woman. Why are people in the MSM NOT vetting him on this NOW. Later will be too late. Later will be nothing more than pandering to sell products and newspapers. 

Holding women candidates to ten times the standard males are held to has grown extremely tiresome and hate filled. If anyone is NOT angry at this there is something wrong with them.

And I agree about N.O.W. too, they are the Ladies Auxiliary of the Democratic Party, what&#039;s left of the Democratic Party anyway and that&#039;s not much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then can we talk about Obama campaigning for Odinga in Kenya yet? Or are we too busy Palin bashing? You know Odinga, who did INDEED sign an agreement with certain factions in Kenya to institute sharia law should he win the election.</p>
<p>Either Obama did not know and he&#8217;s far too gullible to be POTUS or he did know and he&#8217;s too misogynistic *which I believe he is anyway* to be POTUS.</p>
<p>Why are we focused so narrowly in the media on one issue and one candidate? Why does Obama get every pass on every thing INCLUDING cheating in every caucus state and the Indiana primary to STEAL the nomination from a woman. Why are people in the MSM NOT vetting him on this NOW. Later will be too late. Later will be nothing more than pandering to sell products and newspapers. </p>
<p>Holding women candidates to ten times the standard males are held to has grown extremely tiresome and hate filled. If anyone is NOT angry at this there is something wrong with them.</p>
<p>And I agree about N.O.W. too, they are the Ladies Auxiliary of the Democratic Party, what&#8217;s left of the Democratic Party anyway and that&#8217;s not much.</p>
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		<title>By: natalie</title>
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		<dc:creator>natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And let&#039;s say that Palin did have those views about gays, abortion, creationism (which she doesn&#039;t), is it ok for her to be demeaned by having her likeness portrayed in sex dolls, porn movies, and all of the other vulgar and sexual comments that have been made about her?

Let&#039;s be honest, those disgusting things would still be happening if she was a die-hard, pro-choice liberal.  The only difference is that more women would be defending her.  That is what is truly disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And let&#8217;s say that Palin did have those views about gays, abortion, creationism (which she doesn&#8217;t), is it ok for her to be demeaned by having her likeness portrayed in sex dolls, porn movies, and all of the other vulgar and sexual comments that have been made about her?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be honest, those disgusting things would still be happening if she was a die-hard, pro-choice liberal.  The only difference is that more women would be defending her.  That is what is truly disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Fitterman,

I am astonished to see that you seem to believe the womens movement boils down to nothing but abortion.

My rights as a woman do not begin and end with abortion upon demand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Fitterman,</p>
<p>I am astonished to see that you seem to believe the womens movement boils down to nothing but abortion.</p>
<p>My rights as a woman do not begin and end with abortion upon demand.</p>
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		<title>By: KayJL</title>
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		<dc:creator>KayJL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>samanthasmom--your characterization of NOW as the Ladies Auxiliary of the Democratic Party cracked me up.  perfect description of NOW&#039;s conduct in this election.

NOW ought to get with the program (or what was supposed to be the program) and let their patriarchs (Daddy Obama and Daddy Dean) know that Chris Matthews is not an acceptable candidate for the Pennsylvania Senate.  It&#039;s not that hard to get Obama to throw someone under the bus so NOW ought to be able to accomplish at least that much with Chris Matthews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>samanthasmom&#8211;your characterization of NOW as the Ladies Auxiliary of the Democratic Party cracked me up.  perfect description of NOW&#8217;s conduct in this election.</p>
<p>NOW ought to get with the program (or what was supposed to be the program) and let their patriarchs (Daddy Obama and Daddy Dean) know that Chris Matthews is not an acceptable candidate for the Pennsylvania Senate.  It&#8217;s not that hard to get Obama to throw someone under the bus so NOW ought to be able to accomplish at least that much with Chris Matthews.</p>
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		<title>By: fieldingbandolier</title>
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		<dc:creator>fieldingbandolier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Amy,
It was me who made the comment about &quot;the question she wished had been asked&quot;, in reference to Fitterman&#039;s response.  Her subsequent response was also notable in that she felt the need to identify herself as having Republican roots.  Apparently she&#039;s assuming this organization, and this site, are affiliated with the Republican party or their allies - so your comment about &quot;not reading the essay&quot; is right on.

I suppose that the political tradition of voter alienation by means of vicarious shame is venerable and rich.  What is astounding (and depressing) to me in this election cycle is the ready employ of sexual and gender-based shaming by people who have traditionally been seen as allied with feminist causes.  When Hillary was in the running, at least some people were willing to speak up.  Now that she&#039;s out of the race, sexism and misogyny apparently don&#039;t matter - perhaps some feel that the ends justify the means.  It&#039;s seems ludicrous to have to say they do not.

Your detractors (Fitterman being the obvious example) would like to frame your objections within the confines of traditional political alliances, when what you&#039;re doing is objecting to the sexism being employed in the process of what is in the best of circumstances a morally dubious strategy, and when misogynistic content is employed, completely unacceptable.

It&#039;s heartening that at least you&#039;re getting some attention.  Perhaps if you (we) keep it up, more people will eventually allow themselves to hear what you are actually saying.  In the mean time, I imagine you&#039;re in for more of the same - people putting convenient words in your mouth and attempting to relegate your objections to the easily discounted category of partisan maneuvering.

I suppose one can hardly blame them - the job of ignoring the discomfort generated by allies spewing such vile epithets takes a fair degree of effort to maintain.  Pointing out their hypocrisy is just damned inconvenient for them.  Just like pointing out sexism and misogyny has always been inconvenient for people with an investment in the status quo.

I cannot thank you enough for helping me understand the nature of my continuing discomfort, and providing a vehicle to spread the seeds of actual philosophical and pragmatic reform.  I&#039;m sure the Fittermans in the world will come around eventually - I just wish they&#039;d get on with it already.  At the very least, I wish they&#039;d take the time (and demonstrate the integrity) necessary to at least understand what it is you are saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Amy,<br />
It was me who made the comment about &#8220;the question she wished had been asked&#8221;, in reference to Fitterman&#8217;s response.  Her subsequent response was also notable in that she felt the need to identify herself as having Republican roots.  Apparently she&#8217;s assuming this organization, and this site, are affiliated with the Republican party or their allies &#8211; so your comment about &#8220;not reading the essay&#8221; is right on.</p>
<p>I suppose that the political tradition of voter alienation by means of vicarious shame is venerable and rich.  What is astounding (and depressing) to me in this election cycle is the ready employ of sexual and gender-based shaming by people who have traditionally been seen as allied with feminist causes.  When Hillary was in the running, at least some people were willing to speak up.  Now that she&#8217;s out of the race, sexism and misogyny apparently don&#8217;t matter &#8211; perhaps some feel that the ends justify the means.  It&#8217;s seems ludicrous to have to say they do not.</p>
<p>Your detractors (Fitterman being the obvious example) would like to frame your objections within the confines of traditional political alliances, when what you&#8217;re doing is objecting to the sexism being employed in the process of what is in the best of circumstances a morally dubious strategy, and when misogynistic content is employed, completely unacceptable.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s heartening that at least you&#8217;re getting some attention.  Perhaps if you (we) keep it up, more people will eventually allow themselves to hear what you are actually saying.  In the mean time, I imagine you&#8217;re in for more of the same &#8211; people putting convenient words in your mouth and attempting to relegate your objections to the easily discounted category of partisan maneuvering.</p>
<p>I suppose one can hardly blame them &#8211; the job of ignoring the discomfort generated by allies spewing such vile epithets takes a fair degree of effort to maintain.  Pointing out their hypocrisy is just damned inconvenient for them.  Just like pointing out sexism and misogyny has always been inconvenient for people with an investment in the status quo.</p>
<p>I cannot thank you enough for helping me understand the nature of my continuing discomfort, and providing a vehicle to spread the seeds of actual philosophical and pragmatic reform.  I&#8217;m sure the Fittermans in the world will come around eventually &#8211; I just wish they&#8217;d get on with it already.  At the very least, I wish they&#8217;d take the time (and demonstrate the integrity) necessary to at least understand what it is you are saying.</p>
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